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From: KiLVaiDeN on 6 Nov 2006 05:17 So basically guys, does it mean that there is no simple way of creating cross platform assembly GUI application, while taking advantage of the assembly low-level power ? I am looking into possibilities to do this, in a mix of high-level and assembly, which would be the best way to go I guess for such a project, but it seems a little bit complicated nonetheless. I also thought of doing it in full assembly, using an OpenGL wrapper, to make the interface of the program; But this too would require a lot of work..... To implement all the functionalities of a usual GUI interface... Oh well ! Thanks for the answers :) Cheers K
From: Herbert Kleebauer on 6 Nov 2006 05:41 KiLVaiDeN wrote: > > So basically guys, does it mean that there is no simple way of creating > cross platform assembly GUI application, while taking advantage of the > assembly low-level power ? > > I am looking into possibilities to do this, in a mix of high-level and > assembly, which would be the best way to go I guess for such a project, > but it seems a little bit complicated nonetheless. Why don't look at the source code of Mozilla?
From: KiLVaiDeN on 6 Nov 2006 06:02 > Herbert Kleebauer wrote: > > Why don't look at the source code of Mozilla? It's a good idea and I like XUL, but it's very high level (XML) and if I want to code such an application, I'd rather use Java/SWT ( which is used to code Eclipse for example ) which I consider even better ( since you have Java as a powerful language to back you up ). My main concern was to use a low level language, and have an easy way to code GUI applications, like it's possible with RosASM or FASM under windows, but multi-platform. Thanks for the help ! Cheers K
From: Betov on 6 Nov 2006 07:20 "KiLVaiDeN" <kilvaiden(a)gmail.com> ?crivait news:1162808259.331364.26920 @k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: > So basically guys, does it mean that there is no simple way of creating > cross platform assembly GUI application, while taking advantage of the > assembly low-level power ? There has never been any "simple way" for doing any pioneer work, unfortunately, K. I'd wish there could be some, but... :)) As you might know, there has been several long years of hard works, done by many pioneers of Win32Asm, before Applications could have been written in Asm, under Win32, and the Linux Asm Stuff is still in the very same state, it was for Windows... 15 years ago. :( Linux is definitively NOT any area for Assembly. Would it be one, even with a little bit more problems, what you mean to do would exist since ages, given the number of volunteers around Linux, and given the numbers of attempts, we have seen passing and going to... the trash bin. Not to discourage you, but, if you persist on this plan, be prepared for _years_ of pioneer's work without any guaranty of success, and of "royale indiff?rence", in case it would go to an end. Betov. < http://rosasm.org >
From: KiLVaiDeN on 6 Nov 2006 10:05
> Betov wrote: > > As you might know, there has been several long years > of hard works, done by many pioneers of Win32Asm, > before Applications could have been written in Asm, > under Win32, and the Linux Asm Stuff is still in the > very same state, it was for Windows... 15 years ago. There is still some assemblers which compile successfully binaries under Linux, and I thought someone had already investigated the GUI applications field under Linux with ASM.. Too bad it's still something not "considered", as much as it is for years on Windows. What is the key factor that motivated such a movement under Win32 and not under Linux ? I'd say, the popularity of Win32 won the interest of most developers ( since for years, making an application was mainly targeting the Win32 market ), but now, as I see it, Linux is becoming more and more viable as an alternative to Win32, both in the price point of view and on the power you can unleash with it. The kernel being open source, is a great factor of evolution; you can customize it to your needs, which leads to a totally optimized system for you, in matter of functionalities that is. I would like to ask you a question Rene, considering you are a fervent defender of GPL, how come your choice for a system didn't include producing code for the GPLed OS of choice, aka Linux ? > Linux is definitively NOT any area for Assembly. Would > it be one, even with a little bit more problems, what > you mean to do would exist since ages, given the number > of volunteers around Linux, and given the numbers of > attempts, we have seen passing and going to... the trash > bin. There must be a way to hack Xorg, the same way the Win32 API is "hacked" by assembly programs. I say "hacking", because like the Win32 API, the Xorg API is not supposed to be coded in assembly from a starter. It has similar calls than those of the Win32 API, so I think it wouldn't be totally out of mind to think of "hacking" it with assembly, by declaring clever includes, like it's done in Win32 ASM nowadays.. > > Not to discourage you, but, if you persist on this plan, > be prepared for _years_ of pioneer's work without any > guaranty of success, and of "royale indifférence", in > case it would go to an end. > > > Betov. > > < http://rosasm.org > The indifference is the least I care about, as I never did anything to promote myself, or to make people worship me. Being a pioneer is also something I don't plan, since I'm not good enough in all those matters to pretend doing a pioneer job, knowing that some people already probably investigated that same path in the past. My goal is to make a cross platform application, which would be as clean as possible, trying to avoid most of the "garbage" from HLL... I just want it plain and simple, yet fast and small in size.. I wanted to know if there already was something similar on the Linux assembly world, as it exists on the Win32 one.. Too bad it doesn't exist, I think I'll code my application with the standard "HLL GUI" + Assembly Optimized routines... Cheers, thanks for help ! K |