Looking For Direction
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From: ilan on 13 Jun 2010 14:59 Arne Vajhøj <arne(a)vajhoej.dk> writes: > On 12-06-2010 14:53, ilan wrote: >> Hmm.. I think we can explore this a little bit. I was only looking at >> web servers in this instance. I doubt for example the majority of Oracle >> databases run on Windows.. even if Oracle _can_ run on Windows. >> >> I also doubt the majority of enterprises put their ERP systems onto >> Windows boxes. > > The OS's obviously have their niches. > > Linux is very strong in web servers (Apache, PHP etc.). > > The commercial Unixes are very strong in databases. > > Windows is very strong in file/print/mail servers. > > Java is probably one of the more diversified areas. > > And it is a myth that business critical stuff is not > put on Windows. > > There are a lot of ERP systems running on Windows. > > Not so much Oracle's, but a lot of SAP systems are > running on Windows. Do you realise that SAP provides a SAP J2EE engine as part of there SAP stack? And in fact its becoming an essential part of their stack as they have started moving some of their key administration GUI's to their Java stack and exposing them via Web Dynpro for Java interfaces. For example the web service administration interface to expose "Business Warehouse" ABAP function module endpoints. Also SAP Portal is heavily integrated with their Java tools; and if you want to really leverage SAP Web Portal you need to be using Java. Why is SAP investing so much in Java; if .NET was "as good" or "as promising"? I don't know what you mean by "a lot"; can you expand on that a bit? -- ilAn
From: Arved Sandstrom on 13 Jun 2010 19:19 Martin Gregorie wrote: > On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 12:07:40 -0400, Arne Vajhøj wrote: > >> But I don't understand why you think web server platform should relate >> to either Java EE platform or overall server platform. >> > > LAMP > > The acronym wouldn't exist if it didn't describe a reasonably common > software stack. Nothing to do with Java, of course, but this thread had > diverged into the demographics of servers. It's a reasonably common software stack, but it's not a J2EE stack, which you know. I thought we were talking J2EE servers (with a possible expansion of the discussion over into what might run .NET apps), not every web server possible. Specifically I thought the question was, what OS's are supporting the servers that run J2EE (and possibly .NET) applications. The thread _did_ diverge, but let's bring it back on track. In addition, I think the original discussion also included the OS's that J2EE developers might be coding on - it's my hypothesis that the OS that developers write J2EE apps on is very often Windows. AHS -- Software sucks because users demand it to. -- Nathan Myhrvold
From: Arne Vajhøj on 13 Jun 2010 21:59 On 13-06-2010 14:59, ilan wrote: > Arne Vajhøj<arne(a)vajhoej.dk> writes: >> On 12-06-2010 14:53, ilan wrote: >>> I also doubt the majority of enterprises put their ERP systems onto >>> Windows boxes. >> And it is a myth that business critical stuff is not >> put on Windows. >> >> There are a lot of ERP systems running on Windows. >> >> Not so much Oracle's, but a lot of SAP systems are >> running on Windows. > > Do you realise that SAP provides a SAP J2EE engine as part of there SAP > stack? And in fact its becoming an essential part of their stack as they > have started moving some of their key administration GUI's to their Java > stack and exposing them via Web Dynpro for Java interfaces. For example > the web service administration interface to expose "Business Warehouse" > ABAP function module endpoints. > > Also SAP Portal is heavily integrated with their Java tools; and if you > want to really leverage SAP Web Portal you need to be using Java. Yes. But guess what. Using Java does not prevent them from using Windows. > Why is SAP investing so much in Java; if .NET was "as good" or "as > promising"? Probably because they want to be cross platform. But Java vs .NET is a completely different story than non-Windows vs Windows. > I don't know what you mean by "a lot"; can you expand on that a bit? The number given vary between 25% and 50%. Arne
From: Martin Gregorie on 14 Jun 2010 07:24 On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 23:19:54 +0000, Arved Sandstrom wrote: > The thread _did_ diverge, but let's bring it back on track. > Fair point. > In addition, > I think the original discussion also included the OS's that J2EE > developers might be coding on - it's my hypothesis that the OS that > developers write J2EE apps on is very often Windows. > I think that's very likely. I've certainly done development using IntelliJ on XP for deployment on RHEL. This particular project ran both developmental and deployed code against Oracle on RHEL. -- martin@ | Martin Gregorie gregorie. | Essex, UK org |
From: ilan on 14 Jun 2010 14:37
Arved Sandstrom <dcest61(a)hotmail.com> writes: > The thread _did_ diverge, but let's bring it back on track. In > addition, I think the original discussion also included the OS's that > J2EE developers might be coding on - it's my hypothesis that the OS > that developers write J2EE apps on is very often Windows. Well although its not really representative; we could poll here. At my day job I write for a SAP J2EE that is running on Solaris. -- ilAn |