M$ Ending Open Discussion Newsgroups!
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From: John John - MVP on 5 May 2010 21:55 pip22 wrote: > ... Having to download headers is a pain, followed by downloading the > posts you want to read, especially on slow, rural connections. > > Web-based forums are much easier to access and navigate, and far less > littered with cr*p whereas NNTP is awash with it. Now that is quite an oxymoronic statement! Who's leg are you trying to pull telling us that web forums are faster than text based newsgroups?
From: David H. Lipman on 5 May 2010 22:44 From: "LVTravel" <none(a)nothere.com> | When MS pulls the plug you will no longer be able to post to these newgroups | that are "microsoft.public......." Anything already propagated to another | news server will live on. Those on techarena, newegg, etc. will not longer | have access to the free hard drive space on MS's servers. That all depends. It certainly won't be propogating from msnews.microsoft.com but might still be usable from various NSPs. That is unless a control message is sent to remove the groups from Usenet and all peers adhere to that. -- Dave http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp
From: Bob I on 6 May 2010 08:05 John John - MVP wrote: > pip22 wrote: > >> ... Having to download headers is a pain, followed by downloading the >> posts you want to read, especially on slow, rural connections. >> >> Web-based forums are much easier to access and navigate, and far less >> littered with cr*p whereas NNTP is awash with it. > > > Now that is quite an oxymoronic statement! Who's leg are you trying to > pull telling us that web forums are faster than text based newsgroups? I suppose it is for those who can't actually navigate newsgroups. ;-)
From: Tim Slattery on 6 May 2010 09:09 mister_friendly(a)the-newzgroups.com wrote: >I'm curious. How is MS going to remove these newsgroups? The way I >was told, years ago, is that newsgroups CAN NOT be removed. You're right. MS can turn off its servers, but there are zillions of Usenet servers all over the world that carry the microsoft.public.* hierarchy. They will continue to exist. > Once they're created, they're there forever. Just about. If you read news.newgroups, you see postings proposing new groups as well as questions about groups that are apparently no longer used. The Big8 Management Board will remove groups when they determined that they are no longer used. But all that means is that they request sysops all over the world to delete those groups from their systems. They can't force anything. Then there's the alt.* hierarchy, which is anarchic. By which I mean that anybody (who has access to an NNTP server, anyway) can create a group. Whether other sysops pick it up is, of course, up to them. Just as there's no "process" for creating a new alt.* group, there's no way to get rid of one either. It's a free-for-all. Still, there are many very good groups there. There's also trash. -- Tim Slattery Slattery_T(a)bls.gov http://members.cox.net/slatteryt
From: milt on 6 May 2010 12:29
On 5/6/2010 7:05 AM, Bob I wrote: > > > John John - MVP wrote: > >> pip22 wrote: >> >>> ... Having to download headers is a pain, followed by downloading the >>> posts you want to read, especially on slow, rural connections. >>> >>> Web-based forums are much easier to access and navigate, and far less >>> littered with cr*p whereas NNTP is awash with it. >> >> >> Now that is quite an oxymoronic statement! Who's leg are you trying to >> pull telling us that web forums are faster than text based newsgroups? > > I suppose it is for those who can't actually navigate newsgroups. ;-) > Yeah, you can't just "click here" to get newsgroups. It actually takes some thought and effort to do so. However, its hilarious to infer graphics-laden message boards are faster than pure-text. As for it being archaic. So is SMTP, does that mean we should get rid of that as well? If its not broke, don't fix it! Yeah, newsgroups have their issues but there are ways to get around those as well. |