From: REM on
> "HeyBub" <heybub(a)NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:

>The Billericay Hammer wrote:
>> One of my pc's has a MFT of 40 fragments. It doesn't seem to affect
>> the speed or operation, but I would like to get this under 10 if I
>> can. I know the MFT can only be defragged at boot time as it is
>> constantly in use, but does anyone know of a freeware program that
>> can do this? Anything I can find is in a full paid version so even a
>> trialware or shareware program does not have the feature until it is
>> purchased. Any help would be appreciated.

>Defragging the MFT is equivalent to alphabetizing the 40 romance novels on
>your bookshelf. It has zero practical effect.

>In fact, defragging an NTFS file system, in general, has no detectable
>improvement in efficiency.


I dunno. I've seen some older PCs that perked up really nice after
uninstalling all the old software that we used to use, running
CCleaner, JKdefrag and then PageDefrag from Sysinternals.

CCleaner:
http://www.filehippo.com/download_ccleaner

JKDefrag:
http://kessels.biz/JkDefrag/ (v3.36 here)

PageDefrag:
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb545046.aspx

NTRegOpt:
http://www.larshederer.homepage.t-online.de/erunt/


Hard drives have larger caches these days and most processors are very
fast. Still, there is quite an improvement to be seen after running
these on a neglected PC.

YMMV

That's a thorough cleaning, degragmentation of the disk and swap file
and rebuilding the registry and leaving behind all the useless
entries, where you are simply referring to defragging alone.


From: John Corliss on
John Corliss wrote:
> Probitts(a)rip.ax.ltwrote:
>> Duddits wrote:
>>> The Billericay Hammerwrote:
>>>
>>>> One of my pc's has a MFT of 40 fragments. It doesn't seem to affect
>>>> the speed or operation, but I would like to get this under 10 if I can.
>>>> I know the MFT can only be defragged at boot time as it is constantly
>>>> in use, but does anyone know of a freeware program that can do this?
>>>> Anything I can find is in a full paid version so even a trialware or
>>>> shareware program does not have the feature until it is purchased.
>>>> Any help would be appreciated.
>>>
>>> I like/use Puran Defrag Free
>>> http://www.puransoftware.com/Puran-Defrag.html
>>>
>>> does what you want and much more.
>>
>> $19.75 http://www.removed$ware.com/Defrag-Order.html
>
> But of course, that's not freeware is it. And this group is supposed to
> be for the discussion of freeware. And Duddits provided a freeware
> solution about a half hour before you posted about commercial software.

My apologies, I misread your post. I can see now (even though you're
wrong) that you thought Duddit's recommendation was for payware. My bad.

Still:

"Now get a professional defragmenter for your computer at no price at
all. This is Puran Defrag Free Edition which is exactly the same as its
commercial version except you do not need to pay for it.
* Free for private and non-commercial use only."

--
John Corliss BS206. I block all Google Groups posts due to Googlespam,
and as many posts from anonymous remailers (like x-privat.org for eg.)
as possible due to forgeries posted through them.

No ad, CD, commercial, cripple, demo, nag, share, spy, time-limited,
trial or web wares OR warez for me, please. Adobe Flash sucks, DivX rules.
From: Franklin on
The Billericay Hammer wrote:
>
> "Mark Warner" <mhwarner.inhibitions(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:81rhaaF3hkU1(a)mid.individual.net...
>> Bear Bottoms wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm not sure why products are made to defrag if there are no benefits
>>> at all...can you supply a reason?
>>
>> Because people will buy them.
>>
>> Mark Warner
>
> Unfortunately, I have to disagree. When NT4 was released, Micro$oft
> stated that defragging was necessary and quickly back tracked on the
> statement. Every o/s since has been shipped with a built in defragger.
> I have just run Puran and opened an AVI, it now loads and runs far
> quicker.

People still argue about whether or not it's necessary to defrag NTFS.
You're right to trust to your own experience. If defragging improves your
system response then do it.

The debate gets hopelessly muddled when people like Mr Bottoms can't properly
interpret his own defragging results.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comp.freeware/msg/c5f89f28f326c39e
From: Dustin Cook on
"The Billericay Hammer" <hammers(a)hammers.com> wrote in
news:hpa548$qss$1(a)speranza.aioe.org:

> "Mark Warner" <mhwarner.inhibitions(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:81rhaaF3hkU1(a)mid.individual.net...
>> Bear Bottoms wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm not sure why products are made to defrag if there are no
>>> benefits at all...can you supply a reason?
>>
>> Because people will buy them.
>>
>> --
>> Mark Warner
>> MEPIS Linux
>> Registered Linux User #415318
>> ...lose .inhibitions when replying
>
> Unfortunately, I have to disagree. When NT4 was released, Micro$oft
> stated that defragging was necessary and quickly back tracked on the
> statement. Every o/s since has been shipped with a built in defragger.
> I have just run Puran and opened an AVI, it now loads and runs far
> quicker.

I've debated this back and forth with several people. Some are always going
to say defragging does nothing, but.. anyone who has done it and then done
something with a goodsize file, obviously sees the improvement.


--
"Hrrngh! Someday I'm going to hurl this...er...roll this...hrrngh.. nudge
this boulder right down a cliff." - Goblin Warrior

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