From: Jim S. Witherspoon on
On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 08:21:43 -0500, M.L. wrote:

> The dottech link doesn't indicate which imagers allow one to explore
> or copy files from an image archive, which is a very important feature
> if one accidentally deletes a file that's in the archive.

ML - the table does show that all of the compared programs have
"mount/browse backup images and perform selective restore" - do you mean
something beyond that?

jim
From: Jim S. Witherspoon on
> > Darn, forgot to add the URL to the table showing comparison of imaging
> products. Here's the URL to the comparison table and another that I
> found:
>
> http://dottech.org/featured/11628
> http://www.raymond.cc/images/disk-imaging-features-compared.png

very nice and thorough comparison. Thanks very much for links.

jim
From: REM on

> VanguardLH <V(a)nguard.LH> wrote:

>From the web page listing the differences between the free and paid
>versions, it doesn't look like I'll be using it. Since it doesn't
>support incremental or differential image backups, you can only do full
>image backups.

Check Best Buy (first link that came up): WD 2TB, 64MB cache, $139.

And maybe delete old image files if space is still an issue?

>Since you can use Windows Explorer to access the "images", guess they
>can't be compressed or in any proprietary or special file format. Makes
>me wonder how the size of its image backups compares to other imaging
>products.

http://www.macrium.com/features.asp

Look under File Backup for both incremental and compression.

Look under Disk Image for compression.


>Before I'd spend time on Macrium's freeware, I'd go check to see how
>well it does restores. Backups are nice and the faster the better (but
>full-only images would just consume way too much disk space) but unless
>it is reliable for restores than it is bogus software.

That would be under File Backup... incremental file backup with
compression? That's what you are wanting to do? A system partition
image and then specific incremental file backups?

>Rather than
>claim to have "used" this product to save backups, has anyone actually
>had to do restores from it and do so several times to gauge its
>reliability to actually make use of the backups? Do you lose the entire
>image if a portion of it is corrupted (like the n-th CD out of several
>used to store the image)?

CD? Seriously?

I'm going to try it out. I hope to do a reinstall this weekend. That
will be a good opportunity to test the image ability using my current
setup versus the new install.

It might be towards next weekend before I have time to do both images,
the install, and try both images. No CDs will be harmed during this
trial. :)

From: REM on
> Caesar Romano <Spam(a)uce.gov> wrote:

>> FredW <fredw(a)blackholespam.net>

>>>> VanguardLH <V(a)nguard.LH> wrote:

>>>> I found a comparison table of several free imaging programs (with
>>>> Acronis TrueImage thrown in for comparison).

>>>Darn, forgot to add the URL to the table showing comparison of imaging
>>>products. Here's the URL to the comparison table and another that I
>>>found:
>>>
>>>http://dottech.org/featured/11628

>>Thank you for the links.

>+1 on that.

x3. The only problem that I see with Macrium from the link above is
that you can only restore an image to the same hard drive. That might
be a deal breaker. Partition? The same hard drive (brand, size?) if
the hard drive fails? I'll see soon enough.

It does clone one hard drive to another, though. That's an interesting
ability.


From: VanguardLH on
REM wrote:

>> VanguardLH wrote:
>
>
>> From the web page listing the differences between the free and paid
>> versions, it doesn't look like I'll be using it. Since it doesn't
>> support incremental or differential image backups, you can only do
>> full image backups.
>
> Check Best Buy (first link that came up): WD 2TB, 64MB cache, $139.
> And maybe delete old image files if space is still an issue?

Thanks for illustrating my point that a series of *full* images to
provide a history of backups means you reduce how deep is that history
from which you can extract restores.

>> Since you can use Windows Explorer to access the "images", guess they
>> can't be compressed or in any proprietary or special file format.
>> Makes me wonder how the size of its image backups compares to other
>> imaging products.
>
> http://www.macrium.com/features.asp Look under File Backup for both
> incremental and compression. Look under Disk Image for compression.

Someone else mentioned that Macrium, like others, will "mount" a drive
containing the backup so you can browse through it. That makes it
possible to use Windows Explorer. I saw mention regarding their quick
restore that all backup media must be available in the same folder
(i.e., you cannot use their quick restore across multiple storage
media, like for an N-disc backup to CD/DVDs, and they require you to
copy the backups to one folder). So my guess is that you also must
have all of the backup in one location in order to mount it and browse
through it.

>> Before I'd spend time on Macrium's freeware, I'd go check to see how
>> well it does restores. Backups are nice and the faster the better
>> (but full-only images would just consume way too much disk space)
>> but unless it is reliable for restores than it is bogus software.
>
> That would be under File Backup... incremental file backup with
> compression? That's what you are wanting to do? A system partition
> image and then specific incremental file backups?

Um, no, not the point here. Doing backups every day for weeks on end
may make you feel warm and comfy but unless you actually restore (and
NOT just run a verify operation) then you don't know how reliable are
those backups. I've seen many times in the past where users have
faithfully performed backups only to find out that there were failures
on restores so they lost their files. All that time to do backups was
wasted. Even picking just a few files at random spots in the backup
from which to restore might indicate if those backups are truly usable.

Other users have responded that they have performed restores many times
over a span of time so it looks like Macrium is good for restores since
without which the backups would be a waste of time.

>> Rather than claim to have "used" this product to save backups, has
>> anyone actually had to do restores from it and do so several times
>> to gauge its reliability to actually make use of the backups? Do
>> you lose the entire image if a portion of it is corrupted (like the
>> n-th CD out of several used to store the image)?
>
> CD? Seriously?

I wasn't really interested in listed all backup media types (floppy,
tape, CD, DVD, Blu-ray, 2nd internal, removable, or external hard
disks, online storage, USB sticks, etc). The respondents have not
indicated if they could still recover some or most files from a
corrupted backups that spanned multiple backup media - WHATEVER that
backup media type happens to be. If 1 out of N backup media is
unusable, can you still recover files from the other N-1 backup media,
whatever type it is?

If mounting a virtual drive is how Macrium grants access to files
within a backup: one, does the entire backup have to be available in
one location (i.e., under one folder on one backup source); and, two,
how do you recover what files you can if the backup spans multiple
storage media but one of them fails (no backup media type is absolutely
perfect with no failures even if only placed in storage after use).

> I'm going to try it out. I hope to do a reinstall this weekend. That
> will be a good opportunity to test the image ability using my current
> setup versus the new install.

I'll probably play around with it later in a VM. I've saved a shortcut
to it on my desktop. I do daily image backups (Tue-Sun) and full image
backups (Mon). Not have reduced image size because incrementals (or
even differentials) weren't available for backup modes probably means
that I'll investigate what else this product does but buying another
even more huge hard disk (internal or external) obviously doesn't make
this a free solution to providing consistent and regular backups. One
respondent mentioned that perhaps most image software users only do a
backup once per month. I feel pain if I lose a days worth of output.
A month's loss would be intolerable.