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From: HVAC on 3 Jun 2010 18:07

"Bast" <fakename(a)nomail.invalid> wrote in message
news:hu6fqf$5ij$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>> Sanny.... I'm going to type very slowly so you can understand.
>>
>> There was NO universe until the big bang.
>>
>> There wasn't an empty universe, the universe did not exist.
>
>
> Prove it.


WMAP images, red shifted galaxies to name two...There
are MANY more reasons that anyone in the scientific
communnity who doesn't believe in the big bang is considered
to be a kook.

You believe that the big bang happened, don't you Bast?


> It's not up to the non-belivers to point out WHY your theory(s) is full of
> holes.
>
> ...Although we can.


Ramble on............


From: xxein on 3 Jun 2010 20:59
On Jun 3, 12:15 pm, TruthSlave <T...(a)home.com> wrote:
> Sanny wrote:
> > [Get $15 Puzzle] for best answer.
>
> >http://www.getclub.com/Problems.php?cat=Physics
>
> > A magician brings an empty box. Shows it to all then closes the Box.
>
> > After Closing the Box, Magician says "1, 2, 3"
>
> > And opens the Box and The Box is full of flowers.
>
> > After the Flowers are thrown, The Magician finds a pigeon in the box.
>
> > Magician keeps throwing things from the empty box.
>
> > =============
>
> > Question: What do physics say about this event. Has the magician
> > broken the physics Laws? How he created flowers and pigeon from an
> > empty box?
>
> > The Physicians disproove the Magician Saying he is tricking. and it is
> > fake.
>
> > Now the same Question arises about this Universe.
>
> > Before Big Bang Universe was empty. Suddenly after Big Bang, Universe
> > got billions of Galaxies and Stars.
>
> > Just as Physicians disprove the Magician Saying he is tricking. Can
> > the same Scientists disprove the Big Bang. As the same Magic was done
> > by Big Bang also.
>
> > But Big Bang is real and not a magic trick.
>
> > Bye
> > Sanny
>
> > Solve this Puzzle and get $15.00
> >http://www.getclub.com/Problems.php?cat=Physics
>
> Our explanations for this great event point to a gap in our
> knowledge. For all our theories, and despite of all the
> available evidence, the assertion that a whole universe can
> appear out of nothing, does not quite compute.
>
> Either the wool is being pulled over our eyes, with this
> universal acceptance of the big bang, or its another case
> of man defining his thoughts based on the known variables,
> with no allowance for X, the unknown variable.
>
> We simply can't live with X, let alone conceive of a world
> where x occurs in such abundance, so we do the next thing
> and claim knowledge with a label, which actual stands for
> the unknown.
>
> There's possibly a whole other physics, with a whole other
> set of rules which has nothing to do with the laws as we
> know them. Rules and laws which defies us because we are
> so connected to the physics of this world.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

xxein: Agreed. What is the universal physics to an ant's
understanding? Why do 'we' think we can understand it? Do ants have
a sense of conservation and their population control? Without it,
they could easily wipe out all other species out on Earth. But then,
they would have to eventually eat their own until they die of
malnutrition.

I also agree that he cannot get something from nothing. So let's take
the back end of this first. Will any existence cease to exist? No.
So why did it have to come from nothing? If there is an infinity to
space, why can't there be an eternal existence?

So we just wish there was some creation. I don't know why. We put
some causation to some god but where did a god come from?

We can't answer all these questions and we make theories that support
only our current belief.

Yeah, they seem to have some support for what we think we currently
'know' but this was and is always changing from Aristarcus to
Einstein.

So? What do you think we 'should' believe as the physic?
From: guskz on 4 Jun 2010 00:17
On Jun 2, 10:03 am, Sanny <softtank...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> [Get $15 Puzzle] for best answer.
>
> http://www.getclub.com/Problems.php?cat=Physics
>
> A magician brings an empty box. Shows it to all then closes the Box.
>
> After Closing the Box, Magician says "1, 2, 3"
>
> And opens the Box and The Box is full of flowers.
>
> After the Flowers are thrown, The Magician finds a pigeon in the box.
>
> Magician keeps throwing things from the empty box.
>
> =============
>
> Question: What do physics say about this event. Has the magician
> broken the physics Laws? How he created flowers and pigeon from an
> empty box?
>
> The Physicians disproove the Magician Saying he is tricking. and it is
> fake.
>
> Now the same Question arises about this Universe.
>
> Before Big Bang Universe was empty. Suddenly after Big Bang, Universe
> got billions of Galaxies and Stars.
>
> Just as Physicians disproove the Magician Saying he is tricking. Can
> the same Scientists diproove the Big Bang. As the same Magic was done
> by Big Bang also.
>
> But Big Bang is real and not a magic trick.
>
> Bye
> Sanny
>
> Solve this Puzzle and get $15.00http://www.getclub.com/Problems.php?cat=Physics

Using some Genesis vocabulary, it's known as a separation(division).

In a magician's vocabulary, it's the pillars of heaven supporting the
Universe and dividing the positive(action) from the negative(reaction)
Universe.

Also called the five fingers of God.

When added together the sum total energy of the Universe is "ZERO".

From: Bast on 4 Jun 2010 03:03


HVAC wrote:
> "Bast" <fakename(a)nomail.invalid> wrote in message
> news:hu6fqf$5ij$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>>> Sanny.... I'm going to type very slowly so you can understand.
>>>
>>> There was NO universe until the big bang.
>>>
>>> There wasn't an empty universe, the universe did not exist.
>>
>>
>> Prove it.
>
>
> WMAP images, red shifted galaxies to name two...There
> are MANY more reasons that anyone in the scientific
> communnity who doesn't believe in the big bang is considered
> to be a kook.
>
> You believe that the big bang happened, don't you Bast?
>
>
>> It's not up to the non-belivers to point out WHY your theory(s) is
>> full of holes.
>>
>> ...Although we can.
>
>
> Ramble on............

No.


From: TruthSlave on 4 Jun 2010 05:13
xxein wrote:
> On Jun 3, 12:15 pm, TruthSlave <T...(a)home.com> wrote:
>> Sanny wrote:
>>> [Get $15 Puzzle] for best answer.
>>> http://www.getclub.com/Problems.php?cat=Physics
>>> A magician brings an empty box. Shows it to all then closes the Box.
>>> After Closing the Box, Magician says "1, 2, 3"
>>> And opens the Box and The Box is full of flowers.
>>> After the Flowers are thrown, The Magician finds a pigeon in the box.
>>> Magician keeps throwing things from the empty box.
>>> =============
>>> Question: What do physics say about this event. Has the magician
>>> broken the physics Laws? How he created flowers and pigeon from an
>>> empty box?
>>> The Physicians disproove the Magician Saying he is tricking. and it is
>>> fake.
>>> Now the same Question arises about this Universe.
>>> Before Big Bang Universe was empty. Suddenly after Big Bang, Universe
>>> got billions of Galaxies and Stars.
>>> Just as Physicians disprove the Magician Saying he is tricking. Can
>>> the same Scientists disprove the Big Bang. As the same Magic was done
>>> by Big Bang also.
>>> But Big Bang is real and not a magic trick.
>>> Bye
>>> Sanny
>>> Solve this Puzzle and get $15.00
>>> http://www.getclub.com/Problems.php?cat=Physics
>>
>> Our explanations for this great event point to a gap in our
>> knowledge. For all our theories, and despite of all the
>> available evidence, the assertion that a whole universe can
>> appear out of nothing, does not quite compute.
>>
>> Either the wool is being pulled over our eyes, with this
>> universal acceptance of the big bang, or its another case
>> of man defining his thoughts based on the known variables,
>> with no allowance for X, the unknown variable.
>>
>> We simply can't live with X, let alone conceive of a world
>> where x occurs in such abundance, so we do the next thing
>> and claim knowledge with a label, which actual stands for
>> the unknown.
>>
>> There's possibly a whole other physics, with a whole other
>> set of rules which has nothing to do with the laws as we
>> know them. Rules and laws which defies us because we are
>> so connected to the physics of this world.
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> xxein: Agreed. What is the universal physics to an ant's
> understanding? Why do 'we' think we can understand it?
> Do ants have a sense of conservation and their population
> control? Without it, they could easily wipe out all other
> species out on Earth. But then, they would have to eventually
> eat their own until they die of malnutrition.
>
> I also agree that he cannot get something from nothing. So
> let's take the back end of this first. Will any existence
> cease to exist? No. So why did it have to come from nothing?
> If there is an infinity to space, why can't there be an eternal
> existence?
>
> So we just wish there was some creation. I don't know why.
> We put some causation to some god but where did a god come from?
>
> We can't answer all these questions and we make theories that
> support only our current belief.
>
> Yeah, they seem to have some support for what we think we currently
> 'know' but this was and is always changing from Aristarcus to
> Einstein.
>
> So? What do you think we 'should' believe as the physic?


My own thought is that the substance of 'matter' changed at that
point. Whatever 'it' was, back 'then', existed in abundance but
in a form which is/was beyond the forms we now say we know.

It could be that it still exists, but we are out of phase with
it, so that it occurs with and around us, so that it remains
always about of us, without our knowing. We can't see what we
aren't made to see. All we can do is speculated on our inability
to know everything.

It could be that when we postulate on the release energy from
matter, we in fact communicate briefly past this threshold of
matter with this other state of/for matter. Speaking in the
abstract, our relationship to this other existence is described
always from our point of view, which limits what we can truly
understand of the phenomena.

Emergance theory might provide a clue, if that too wasn't seen
as another kind of magic.
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