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From: Michael Fogler on 24 Apr 2010 07:38
On 2010-04-23 11:57:44 -0400, Fred Moore said:

> In article <hqpunv$8tu$1(a)solani.org>,
> Michael Fogler <guitarist(a)michaelfogler.com> wrote:
>> On 2010-04-22 11:39:13 -0400, Fred Moore said:
>>> In article <hqpddu$373$1(a)solani.org>,
>>> Michael Fogler <guitarist(a)michaelfogler.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> iMac 2.66GHz 10.6.3 4GB RAM --
>>>>
>>>> Mail.app determines an email is junk (does this well), then puts it in
>>>> the Junk Folder (as it's supposed to) and puts a copy of it in the
>>>> Trash folder. I don't have any Rules set up. Just the standard
>>>> instructions in the Junk Mail part of the preferences.
>>>>
>>>> Why the duplicating into the Trash folder? Any ideas why this is
>>>> happening?
>>>
>>> Go to Preferences->Junk Mail->Advanced... What is specified under
>>> 'Perform the following actions:'?
>>
>> nothing. I haven't even checked "Perform the following actions"
>
> Try instituting some filtering rules for Junk then. Sometimes if a pref
> is corrupted, setting a new one clears it up.

Did this, and it didn't change the behavior. If there is a corrupt
preference file, can I just trash it? Where would it be?
--
Michael Fogler
http://michaelfogler.com

From: Fred Moore on 24 Apr 2010 12:38
In article <hqul76$b6t$1(a)solani.org>,
Michael Fogler <guitarist(a)michaelfogler.com> wrote:

> On 2010-04-23 11:57:44 -0400, Fred Moore said:
>
> > In article <hqpunv$8tu$1(a)solani.org>,
> > Michael Fogler <guitarist(a)michaelfogler.com> wrote:
> >> On 2010-04-22 11:39:13 -0400, Fred Moore said:
> >>> In article <hqpddu$373$1(a)solani.org>,
> >>> Michael Fogler <guitarist(a)michaelfogler.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> iMac 2.66GHz 10.6.3 4GB RAM --
> >>>>
> >>>> Mail.app determines an email is junk (does this well), then puts it in
> >>>> the Junk Folder (as it's supposed to) and puts a copy of it in the
> >>>> Trash folder. I don't have any Rules set up. Just the standard
> >>>> instructions in the Junk Mail part of the preferences.
> >>>>
> >>>> Why the duplicating into the Trash folder? Any ideas why this is
> >>>> happening?
> >>>
> >>> Go to Preferences->Junk Mail->Advanced... What is specified under
> >>> 'Perform the following actions:'?
> >>
> >> nothing. I haven't even checked "Perform the following actions"
> >
> > Try instituting some filtering rules for Junk then. Sometimes if a pref
> > is corrupted, setting a new one clears it up.
>
> Did this, and it didn't change the behavior. If there is a corrupt
> preference file, can I just trash it? Where would it be?

Yeh, well, Mail.app has a lot of plists. This problem could be cause by
several different ones. The two basic likely locations are
~/Library/Mail/MessageRules.plist and its backup and
~/Library/Preferences/com.apple.mail.plist.

Quit Mail.app. Backup the plists above by making a compressed zip file
of them -- right-click on each file and select 'Compress <whatever>".
Then delete the originals and restart Mail.app.

If that doesn't work, make a compressed backup of the entire Mail
folder, delete it and ~/Library/Preferences/com.apple.mail.plist, then
start Mail.app and reconfigure it from scratch. This is the long way but
may be necessary.

BEFORE YOU DELETE ANYTHING MAKE SURE YOU HAVE COMPLETE BACKUPS!

If the second method works, drag the compressed copy of the Mail folder
to the Desktop (to get it out of the ~/Library/, uncompress it, then
import your previous email from within Mail.app.

And it's just that easy. Good luck.
From: Wes Groleau on 25 Apr 2010 13:17
A last resort option:

Move your mbox file (the one that contains the actual messages) to a
safe place (might be more than one, if you have multiple accounts.
Delete everything else in ~/Library/Mail (indexes, etc.)
Delete the mail plists
Create a new account and replace what you just deleted from there
Launch mail from your regular account
Import your saved mbox file(s)
Rebuild your preferences and account settings

Last resort because it's a major pain and probably there's an
easier way.

--
Wes Groleau

Women and men's pasts
http://Ideas.Lang-Learn.us/barrett?itemid=1484
From: Michael Fogler on 30 Apr 2010 12:04
On 2010-04-25 13:17:46 -0400, Wes Groleau said:

> A last resort option:
>
> Move your mbox file (the one that contains the actual messages) to a
> safe place (might be more than one, if you have multiple accounts.
> Delete everything else in ~/Library/Mail (indexes, etc.)
> Delete the mail plists
> Create a new account and replace what you just deleted from there
> Launch mail from your regular account
> Import your saved mbox file(s)
> Rebuild your preferences and account settings
>
> Last resort because it's a major pain and probably there's an
> easier way.

Okay, I did this. Completely took away the entire Mail folder in
~/Library and the apple.com.mail.plist file in ~/Library, and started
over. It was not that bad since my mail is IMAP :-). I imported my
local mboxes. Everything is great, *except* that it is still making a
copy of the junk emails to the trash folder. I can live with this,
but it's weird, and it shouldn't be. Any body else have any other
ideas?
--
Michael Fogler
http://michaelfogler.com

From: Barry Margolin on 30 Apr 2010 23:13
In article <hrev29$ou5$1(a)solani.org>,
Michael Fogler <guitarist(a)michaelfogler.com> wrote:

> On 2010-04-25 13:17:46 -0400, Wes Groleau said:
>
> > A last resort option:
> >
> > Move your mbox file (the one that contains the actual messages) to a
> > safe place (might be more than one, if you have multiple accounts.
> > Delete everything else in ~/Library/Mail (indexes, etc.)
> > Delete the mail plists
> > Create a new account and replace what you just deleted from there
> > Launch mail from your regular account
> > Import your saved mbox file(s)
> > Rebuild your preferences and account settings
> >
> > Last resort because it's a major pain and probably there's an
> > easier way.
>
> Okay, I did this. Completely took away the entire Mail folder in
> ~/Library and the apple.com.mail.plist file in ~/Library, and started
> over. It was not that bad since my mail is IMAP :-). I imported my
> local mboxes. Everything is great, *except* that it is still making a
> copy of the junk emails to the trash folder. I can live with this,
> but it's weird, and it shouldn't be. Any body else have any other
> ideas?

Do you have a POP or IMAP account? If it's IMAP, I'm thinking that
maybe when the Mac moves the message out of the Inbox, the server is
marking it as deleted and putting it into its Trash folder, and the Mac
is seeing this.

--
Barry Margolin, barmar(a)alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
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