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From: dlzc on 7 Jun 2010 10:31 Dear Kevin Morais: On Jun 6, 1:09 pm, Kevin Morais <addictionatpe...(a)gmail.com> wrote: .... > 4. Now you grab a big, really big bucket of sand > and throw the sand into the ball from the bucket, > now assuming only a small amount of sand can go > in in a short time, .... assuming your conclusion ... > this large amount of sand that is converted to > what we call Dark Energy, No. > Space time No. > or existence can't all fit inside the > Beach Ball, so whatever can't fit is > expelled through the weakest links in the > Beach ball, the top and the bottom > pressure release valves, aka the jet cones. No. The "jet cones" have nothing to do with Dark Energy, but instead have to do with interactions of matter outside the black hole the jets are associated with. Like bits of car body and chipped paint from "dirt track racers" or "midget car racers". > 4. The jets spewing out a lot of water > push other jets away from them as their > area fills up. No. The fluid being jetted does this "interaction thing". .... > 3. The lint partial in the jet isn't > breaking any laws, it's terminal velocity > is still the same inside of the jet stream, > but it is in a faster than light, whoops, > I mean (faster than terminal velocity) jet > stream in the swimming pool. And? Fizeau showed this more than 100 years ago. > Do you get an idea of what I am talking > about? Swimming. > It's these quasar jet streams I want to > try to describe using this simple > description. You are going to need the language of plasma physics. You are going to need to look at synchrotron radiation as a model. The jets do not originate from inside the event horizon, and the material particles have not yet been inside the event horizon. This is not Hawking radiation. David A. Smith
From: Kevin Morais on 8 Jun 2010 13:04 On Jun 7, 10:31 am, dlzc <dl...(a)cox.net> wrote: > Dear Kevin Morais: > > On Jun 6, 1:09 pm, Kevin Morais <addictionatpe...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > ... > > > 4. Now you grab a big, really big bucket of sand > > and throw the sand into the ball from the bucket, > > now assuming only a small amount of sand can go > > in in a short time, > > ... assuming your conclusion ... > > > this large amount of sand that is converted to > > what we call Dark Energy, > > No. > > > Space time > > No. > > > or existence can't all fit inside the > > Beach Ball, so whatever can't fit is > > expelled through the weakest links in the > > Beach ball, the top and the bottom > > pressure release valves, aka the jet cones. > > No. The "jet cones" have nothing to do with Dark Energy, but instead > have to do with interactions of matter outside the black hole the jets > are associated with. Like bits of car body and chipped paint from > "dirt track racers" or "midget car racers". > > > 4. The jets spewing out a lot of water > > push other jets away from them as their > > area fills up. > > No. The fluid being jetted does this "interaction thing". > > ... > > > 3. The lint partial in the jet isn't > > breaking any laws, it's terminal velocity > > is still the same inside of the jet stream, > > but it is in a faster than light, whoops, > > I mean (faster than terminal velocity) jet > > stream in the swimming pool. > > And? Fizeau showed this more than 100 years ago. > > > Do you get an idea of what I am talking > > about? > > Swimming. > > > It's these quasar jet streams I want to > > try to describe using this simple > > description. > > You are going to need the language of plasma physics. You are going > to need to look at synchrotron radiation as a model. The jets do not > originate from inside the event horizon, and the material particles > have not yet been inside the event horizon. This is not Hawking > radiation. > > David A. Smith Thanks David for taking all the time out and reading and replying. You sir must be a professor :) I will study the plasma physics, and YOU really were so helpful, I mean that. Do you know where I can get raw data from the Quasar Jet Streams and Do you know if the instruments of today can detect the Accretion Disk around the Quasar? Peace David Kevin
From: dlzc on 8 Jun 2010 16:16 Dear Kevin Morais: On Jun 8, 10:04 am, Kevin Morais <addictionatpe...(a)gmail.com> wrote: .... > Thanks David for taking all the time out > and reading and replying. You sir must be > a professor :) No. > I will study the plasma physics, and YOU > really were so helpful, I mean that. Do > you know where I can get raw data from > the Quasar Jet Streams Quasars are distant objects, which are not visually detectable, although I think some container galaxies have been identified in a few cases. In general, they do not exist "locally". Black holes we do have "locally", for example the jets from Sagittarius-A* > and Do you know if the instruments of today > can detect the Accretion Disk around the > Quasar? No, we detect radiation from the interactions of the accretion disk, not the disk itself. Here (arxiv.org) is a good resource you may want to poke around: http://arxiv.org/abs/1006.0485 http://arxiv.org/abs/1005.5279 http://arxiv.org/abs/1005.4384 A better newsgroup to discuss astronomy topics will be sci.astro. David A. Smith
From: BURT on 8 Jun 2010 18:07
On Jun 8, 1:16 pm, dlzc <dl...(a)cox.net> wrote: > Dear Kevin Morais: > > On Jun 8, 10:04 am, Kevin Morais <addictionatpe...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > ... > > > Thanks David for taking all the time out > > and reading and replying. You sir must be > > a professor :) > > No. > > > I will study the plasma physics, and YOU > > really were so helpful, I mean that. Do > > you know where I can get raw data from > > the Quasar Jet Streams > > Quasars are distant objects, which are not visually detectable, > although I think some container galaxies have been identified in a few > cases. In general, they do not exist "locally". > > Black holes we do have "locally", for example the jets from > Sagittarius-A* > > > and Do you know if the instruments of today > > can detect the Accretion Disk around the > > Quasar? > > No, we detect radiation from the interactions of the accretion disk, > not the disk itself. > > Here (arxiv.org) is a good resource you may want to poke around:http://arxiv.org/abs/1006.0485http://arxiv.org/abs/1005.5279http://arxiv.org/abs/1005.4384 > > A better newsgroup to discuss astronomy topics will be sci.astro. > > David A. Smith Distance does not need energy to expand. If there were space energy any matter energy moving through it would gather that space energy to itself. So energy would always be going up by the quantum fluctuatings that energy passes through. Mitch Raemsch |