Melting ice amplifies Arctic warming
in [Physics]
|
Prev: Money Well Spent
Next: Quantum Gravity 367.5: Recent Research in Positive/Negative Quadrant Dependence, Bivariate and Multivariate Distribution Functions, Concordance, Copulas, etc.
From: Dawlish on 30 Apr 2010 09:07 On Apr 30, 10:44 am, Sirius <Sir...(a)provider.net> wrote: > On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 23:43:06 -0700, Dawlish wrote : > > > On Apr 30, 5:36 am, Sirius <Sir...(a)provider.net> wrote: > >> On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 22:29:56 -0500, Sam Wormley wrote : > > >> > Melting ice amplifies Arctic warming > >> > Re-analysis links disappearing sea ice with strong Arctic temperature > >> > risehttp://physicsworld.com/cws/m/1716/17632/article/news/42499 > > >>http://nsidc.org/images/arcticseaicenews/20100406_Figure2.png > > >>http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/ > > > .........and your point is? > > My point is : let us first have a look at the data. Melting, not > melting ? Of what time scale, spring ? 5 years ? 30 years ?* > Next point, the sentence above is really puzzling. Is really ice melting > going to warm Artic ?** > When I put an ice cube in my whisky, will I expect it to warm ? Up to the > moment I read this press article, I ignored that melting ice could warm > something. *So, weather (spring melt in one year), or climate (30-year trend). You are fudging. If you want to talk about weather, go discuss on a weather forum. **You don't understand the paper and you've probably not read it. That's no-one else's fault but your own.
From: Sirius on 30 Apr 2010 10:03 On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 06:07:55 -0700, Dawlish wrote : >> >>http://nsidc.org/images/arcticseaicenews/20100406_Figure2.png >> >> >>http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/ >> >> > .........and your point is? >> >> My point is : let us first have a look at the data. Melting, not >> melting ? Of what time scale, spring ? 5 years ? 30 years ?* Next >> point, the sentence above is really puzzling. Is really ice melting >> going to warm Artic ?** >> When I put an ice cube in my whisky, will I expect it to warm ? Up to >> the moment I read this press article, I ignored that melting ice could >> warm something. > > *So, weather (spring melt in one year), or climate (30-year trend). You > are fudging. If you want to talk about weather, go discuss on a weather > forum. From the data, is ice melting ? No, the trend of the last years is just the opposite.
From: Cat_in_awe on 30 Apr 2010 11:10 Rob Dekker wrote: > "Sirius" <Sirius(a)provider.net> wrote in message > news:4bda5e53$0$22388$426a34cc(a)news.free.fr... >> On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 22:29:56 -0500, Sam Wormley wrote : >> >>> Melting ice amplifies Arctic warming >>> Re-analysis links disappearing sea ice with strong Arctic >>> temperature rise >>> http://physicsworld.com/cws/m/1716/17632/article/news/42499 >> >> http://nsidc.org/images/arcticseaicenews/20100406_Figure2.png >> >> http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/ > > When we talk about "melting ice" we are not talking about a few weeks > of 'almost-average' ice extend. We are talking about the long term > trend : > http://nsidc.org/images/arcticseaicenews/20100406_Figure3.png You left out the Antarctic ice. Have a chart for that?
From: Dawlish on 30 Apr 2010 13:50 On Apr 30, 3:03 pm, Sirius <Sir...(a)provider.net> wrote: > On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 06:07:55 -0700, Dawlish wrote : > > > > > > >> >>http://nsidc.org/images/arcticseaicenews/20100406_Figure2.png > > >> >>http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/ > > >> > .........and your point is? > > >> My point is : let us first have a look at the data. Melting, not > >> melting ? Of what time scale, spring ? 5 years ? 30 years ?* Next > >> point, the sentence above is really puzzling. Is really ice melting > >> going to warm Artic ?** > >> When I put an ice cube in my whisky, will I expect it to warm ? Up to > >> the moment I read this press article, I ignored that melting ice could > >> warm something. > > > *So, weather (spring melt in one year), or climate (30-year trend). You > > are fudging. If you want to talk about weather, go discuss on a weather > > forum. > > From the data, is ice melting ? No, the trend of the last years is just > the opposite.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - aaaaaaaaaaaarghhh. What else can you say to a deliberate misinterpretaion of "long term trend".
From: Dawlish on 30 Apr 2010 13:52
On Apr 30, 4:10 pm, "Cat_in_awe" <rl3166...(a)excite.com> wrote: > Rob Dekker wrote: > > "Sirius" <Sir...(a)provider.net> wrote in message > >news:4bda5e53$0$22388$426a34cc(a)news.free.fr... > >> On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 22:29:56 -0500, Sam Wormley wrote : > > >>> Melting ice amplifies Arctic warming > >>> Re-analysis links disappearing sea ice with strong Arctic > >>> temperature rise > >>>http://physicsworld.com/cws/m/1716/17632/article/news/42499 > > >>http://nsidc.org/images/arcticseaicenews/20100406_Figure2.png > > >>http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/ > > > When we talk about "melting ice" we are not talking about a few weeks > > of 'almost-average' ice extend. We are talking about the long term > > trend : > >http://nsidc.org/images/arcticseaicenews/20100406_Figure3.png > > You left out the Antarctic ice. Have a chart for that?- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Is the behaviour of Antarctic ice thought of in the same way as Arctic ice? I mean, I know it's ice and all that........... |