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From: Charlie Russel - MVP on 10 May 2010 11:07
Has NOTHING to do with paid support. Much as I might lament the decision,
adding in conspiracy won't lend itself to improving things.

--
Charlie.
http://msmvps.com/blogs/russel




"TOM7601" <ewfr(a)none.net> wrote in message
news:%23Vp%235ew7KHA.3880(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> TMA wrote:
>
> Snips...
>
>> And my questions are:
>> What is M$ wanting? To discontinue online free qualified support to their
>> users?
>> What if these users decide to no longer support M$ and discontinue
>> Windows platforms?
>
> The idea must be to steer us toward paid support. One school of thought is
> that if your OS trouble isn't bad enough to pay for help, then it must not
> be a problem. However, some of us work and don't have time to sit on hold
> for a couple of hours or maybe we have a simple question, one of those
> nice to know type requests that, in real life, we can live without.
>
> I agree with the poster regarding alt.windows7.general, just set up
> killfiles and forge ahead...
> --
> TOM - Vista, CA - USA

From: Bogey Man on 10 May 2010 11:22
"Charlie Russel - MVP" <Charlie(a)mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message
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>>
>>>In a statement Redmond said that the newsgroups run on an outdated and
>>>discontinued platform that is no longer supported
>>
>> I can't believe they said something so inaccurate, although they have
>> never given much indication that they understand Usenet.
> Actually, from a MS perspective, it's completely accurate. They run on
> Windows, and Exchange. Both quite a bit older versions than current.
>
>>
>>>The newsgroups first appeared in April 1996, replacing the
>>>Microsoft-sponsored discussion forums on CompuServe.
>>
>> Usenet has been around since 1980, MSFT were rather late to the party.
> Yes, they were. And I lamented the day the moved off of CompuServe as
> well, since it was a FAR superior platform for discussion groups to
> anything Usenet. And Usenet is FAR, FAR superior to web forums. But there
> we are, it's not anything we can change.

If someone knows how, all of these newsgroups could be set up under the alt.
newsgroups using something like alt.ms.word alt.ms.excel etc.

From: Dave Warren on 10 May 2010 13:15
In message <etM7QSF8KHA.2248(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl> "Bogey Man"
<spam(a)kwic.com> was claimed to have wrote:

>If someone knows how, all of these newsgroups could be set up under the alt.
>newsgroups using something like alt.ms.word alt.ms.excel etc.

There is no need to rename the groups, the existing microsoft.public.*
groups exist on usenet at large, not just MS' own NNTP server.
From: Jeff Gaines on 10 May 2010 14:19
On 10/05/2010 in message <5kdgu5p3kmi3m7fd7g0mb1r93rbg4t88bi(a)4ax.com> Dave
Warren wrote:

>In message <etM7QSF8KHA.2248(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl> "Bogey Man"
><spam(a)kwic.com> was claimed to have wrote:
>
>>If someone knows how, all of these newsgroups could be set up under the
>>alt.
>>newsgroups using something like alt.ms.word alt.ms.excel etc.
>
>There is no need to rename the groups, the existing microsoft.public.*
>groups exist on usenet at large, not just MS' own NNTP server.

They are MSFT private groups which MSFT disseminate to the world at large.
If MSFT turn them off they will disappear.

--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
There is absolutely no substitute for a genuine lack of preparation
From: Charlie Russel - MVP on 10 May 2010 15:52
Not strictly true. The _start_ on Microsoft's servers, and are not part of
the overall usenet structure. Once MS turns them off, they will effectively
go away sooner rather than later.

--
Charlie.
http://msmvps.com/blogs/russel




"Dave Warren" <dave-usenet(a)djwcomputers.com> wrote in message
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> In message <etM7QSF8KHA.2248(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl> "Bogey Man"
> <spam(a)kwic.com> was claimed to have wrote:
>
>>If someone knows how, all of these newsgroups could be set up under the
>>alt.
>>newsgroups using something like alt.ms.word alt.ms.excel etc.
>
> There is no need to rename the groups, the existing microsoft.public.*
> groups exist on usenet at large, not just MS' own NNTP server.

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