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From: BURT on 8 Jun 2010 21:52
On Jun 8, 6:25 pm, William Hughes <wpihug...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 8, 8:57 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > There is no quantity below the absence of quantity or zero.
>
> Depending on your definition of "quantity" this may be true.
> Of course the idea that a number must represent quantity
> is silly
>                     - William Hughes

Math is defined by quantitative thinking where we use number symbols
to express quantities.

Numbers are names for quantities.

And no one can demonstrate a negative quantity just a subtraction. But
even that not below zero.

Mitch Raemsch
From: Pol Lux on 8 Jun 2010 23:36
On Jun 8, 6:52 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jun 8, 6:25 pm, William Hughes <wpihug...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jun 8, 8:57 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > There is no quantity below the absence of quantity or zero.
>
> > Depending on your definition of "quantity" this may be true.
> > Of course the idea that a number must represent quantity
> > is silly
> >                     - William Hughes
>
> Math is defined by quantitative thinking where we use number symbols
> to express quantities.
>
> Numbers are names for quantities.
>
> And no one can demonstrate a negative quantity just a subtraction. But
> even that not below zero.
>
> Mitch Raemsch

Hey Mitch -

How about you think about zero first? Maybe zero itself doesn't exist,
right? Negative numbers are too advanced for you, let's start with the
existence or not of zero: how can nothing be something? Huh? You like
that?

Pollux
From: BURT on 9 Jun 2010 00:01
On Jun 8, 8:36 pm, Pol Lux <luxp...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 8, 6:52 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 8, 6:25 pm, William Hughes <wpihug...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jun 8, 8:57 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > There is no quantity below the absence of quantity or zero.
>
> > > Depending on your definition of "quantity" this may be true.
> > > Of course the idea that a number must represent quantity
> > > is silly
> > >                     - William Hughes
>
> > Math is defined by quantitative thinking where we use number symbols
> > to express quantities.
>
> > Numbers are names for quantities.
>
> > And no one can demonstrate a negative quantity just a subtraction. But
> > even that not below zero.
>
> > Mitch Raemsch
>
> Hey Mitch -
>
> How about you think about zero first? Maybe zero itself doesn't exist,
> right? Negative numbers are too advanced for you, let's start with the
> existence or not of zero: how can nothing be something? Huh? You like
> that?
>
> Pollux- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

The number zero quantifies to the empty set. In this sense it is an
abstract idea. But with any base system there must be a zero to
describe numbers to the next diget.

Mitch Raemsch
From: Pol Lux on 9 Jun 2010 00:06
On Jun 8, 9:01 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jun 8, 8:36 pm, Pol Lux <luxp...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 8, 6:52 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jun 8, 6:25 pm, William Hughes <wpihug...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jun 8, 8:57 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > There is no quantity below the absence of quantity or zero.
>
> > > > Depending on your definition of "quantity" this may be true.
> > > > Of course the idea that a number must represent quantity
> > > > is silly
> > > >                     - William Hughes
>
> > > Math is defined by quantitative thinking where we use number symbols
> > > to express quantities.
>
> > > Numbers are names for quantities.
>
> > > And no one can demonstrate a negative quantity just a subtraction. But
> > > even that not below zero.
>
> > > Mitch Raemsch
>
> > Hey Mitch -
>
> > How about you think about zero first? Maybe zero itself doesn't exist,
> > right? Negative numbers are too advanced for you, let's start with the
> > existence or not of zero: how can nothing be something? Huh? You like
> > that?
>
> > Pollux- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> The number zero quantifies to the empty set. In this sense it is an
> abstract idea. But with any base system there must be a zero to
> describe numbers to the next diget.
>
> Mitch Raemsch

Of course. Does the empty set exist? How can nothing be something?

Pollux
From: BURT on 9 Jun 2010 00:09
On Jun 8, 9:06 pm, Pol Lux <luxp...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 8, 9:01 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 8, 8:36 pm, Pol Lux <luxp...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jun 8, 6:52 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jun 8, 6:25 pm, William Hughes <wpihug...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Jun 8, 8:57 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > There is no quantity below the absence of quantity or zero.
>
> > > > > Depending on your definition of "quantity" this may be true.
> > > > > Of course the idea that a number must represent quantity
> > > > > is silly
> > > > >                     - William Hughes
>
> > > > Math is defined by quantitative thinking where we use number symbols
> > > > to express quantities.
>
> > > > Numbers are names for quantities.
>
> > > > And no one can demonstrate a negative quantity just a subtraction. But
> > > > even that not below zero.
>
> > > > Mitch Raemsch
>
> > > Hey Mitch -
>
> > > How about you think about zero first? Maybe zero itself doesn't exist,
> > > right? Negative numbers are too advanced for you, let's start with the
> > > existence or not of zero: how can nothing be something? Huh? You like
> > > that?
>
> > > Pollux- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > The number zero quantifies to the empty set. In this sense it is an
> > abstract idea. But with any base system there must be a zero to
> > describe numbers to the next diget.
>
> > Mitch Raemsch
>
> Of course. Does the empty set exist? How can nothing be something?
>
> Pollux- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

The number zero and empty set exist but not as a quantity.
They are the names for the absence of quantity.

Mitch Raemsch
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