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From: Branimir Maksimovic on 17 Feb 2010 03:50 Nick Keighley wrote: > >> Other guy that claimed C/C++ expert (worked in Portugal for >> military) asked did C have function pointer. When we >> showed question from Stroustrups book (duffs device), >> he dind;t know what is all about. > > well it looks pretty weird the first time you see it. "can you really > do /that/ in a switch?!" was my reaction. Is Duff's device important? Well , not, but that would mean they have read Stroustrups book. Actually, these days all CV's are very impressive... So imagine how they responded to simple C++ language related questions... > > >> No one of fifty computer >> scientist masters dind't recognized duffs device (even guy which >> was borne in 63'). > > '63 was a good year? Programmers are like wines? Hm , don;t know. Actually we wanted someone who can work without 6 months of training. > > >> So I concluded if I see university diploma "master of computer scinece" >> that's sure sine of ignorance or something similar in country where I live. > > I didn't learn Duff's device at university. That is the point. > > >> One guy who claimed wrote sw for robots dind;t knew how much is 2^32 ;) > > nor do I if you want the exact value. I'd look it up if I needed it (I > just use hex!) Well 4gb answer should be enough, I don;t know exact figure either ;) > >> I think that are very few people who know ho to program computers these >> days. > > "The Earth is degenerating these days. Bribery and corruption abound. > Children no longer mind their parents ... and it is evident that the > end of > the world is fast approaching." > -- Assyrian stone tablet, c.2800bc What is the point? Average Joe makes memory leaks in Java no problem... these days... Software gets more bloated, more and more bugs, ... > > >> Blame educations system, because "C is not safe" and >> "stay away from assembler". Soon no one will know how to program, >> and older guys will earn lot of money , but there would be not enough of >> them... > > sounds good to me! Well, actually if you spend enough time lurking at usenet, you can learn enough ;) I don;t have objective picture since my perspective is from this country where sw industry is practically non existent (btw). Greets
From: Nick Keighley on 17 Feb 2010 05:57 On 17 Feb, 08:50, Branimir Maksimovic <bm...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > Nick Keighley wrote: <snip> > >> I think that are very few people who know ho to program computers these > >> days. > > > "The Earth is degenerating these days. Bribery and corruption abound. > > Children no longer mind their parents ... and it is evident that the > > end of the world is fast approaching." > > -- Assyrian stone tablet, c.2800bc > > What is the point? > Average Joe makes memory leaks in Java no problem... > these days... > Software gets more bloated, more and more bugs, ... I was noting the fixed point in the human experience. Things are degenerating and were always better in the past. <snip>
From: Branimir Maksimovic on 17 Feb 2010 06:11 Nick Keighley wrote: > > I was noting the fixed point in the human experience. Things are > degenerating and were always better in the past. > > <snip> To be honest things were always simpler in the past. Greets
From: Richard Bos on 17 Feb 2010 09:38 Flash Gordon <smap(a)spam.causeway.com> wrote: > I know there is software flying around today that is running on Z80 > processors (well, the military variant of them) and the plan in the late > 90s was for it to continue for another 20 years (I don't know the > details, but a customer signed off on some form of ongoing support > contract). Admittedly the software I used was not doing date processing > (apart from the test rigs, which used the date on printouts, which I > tested to "destruction" which turned out to be 2028). Single signed byte? Richard
From: Richard Bos on 17 Feb 2010 09:38
Lew <noone(a)lewscanon.com> wrote: > Michael Foukarakis wrote: > > How can anybody ignore this? Do more people have to die for us to > > start educating software engineers about responsibility, liability, > > consequences? Right now, CS students learn that an error in their > > program is easily solved by adding carefully placed printf()'s or > > running inside a debugger, and that the worst consequence if the TA > > discovers a bug in their project solution is maybe 1/10 lesson > > credits. > > You say that like the developers were at fault. I cannot tell you how many > times I've seen management overrule developers who wanted to make things > right. It's been the overwhelming majority, though. I recall a manager in > 1982 refusing to let a team fix the Y2K bug in the project. I've seen that - _my_ manager, in _my_ fix in _my_ program - in 1995. Three years later he thought that it would be a good idea for me to start paying attention to this Y2K thing he'd just heard about. And then there's the users. Don't get me started on the users. Richard |