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From: Lew on 8 Feb 2010 11:06 MarkusSchaber wrote: >> I won't dispute that money is a motivator, but it is not the most >> efficient motivator. The more money you pay, the more you will attract >> those developers which are purely after the money, and not the really >> good ones. For the latter ones, a certain level on the paycheck is >> enough to give attention to fun, excitement, atmosphere and such >> factors. Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote: > I once joked with an employer that if he paid me twice as much I would > only have to work half as long :-) Given that nearly nobody gives a perfect working environment, or even close, money is the primary distinguisher. As a contract worker, I've seen a few dozen IT workplaces. The grass is never greener. Offer me twice as much compensation as the other potential employer and my talents are yours to exploit. It's not that money is the motivator. The question is leading and extremely ill cast. I don't depend on anyone else for my motivation. Money is the decider; it decides whether and where I work. It doesn't determine how. To get meaningful answers, the survey would have to ask meaningful questions. -- Lew
From: Malcolm McLean on 8 Feb 2010 11:14 On Feb 8, 1:43 am, James Kanze <james.ka...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Feb 5, 3:14 pm, Patricia Shanahan <p...(a)acm.org> wrote: > > [...] > > > That said, by definition professionals are, to some extent, in > > it for the money. If they were not, they would be amateurs as > > I am now. How that is balanced against interesting work, > > physical working conditions, status, etc. varies. > > I'm not sure if the word "professional" has the same conotations > in English as it does in French, but from the French meaning, I > don't think you can be truely a "professional" if you're only in > it for the money. "Professional" implies being paid for what > you do, but it also implies a certain degree of personal > standards with regards to quality and such---a "professional" > will take pride in his work. > Strictly a "professional" is someone who is a member of a professional body which regulates itself and has the right to control entry to the profession. For instnace I can't simply buy scalpels and antiseptic and set myself up as a brain surgeon - I have to go throguh the British Medical Association before they'll let me chop people up. the same is true for lawyers, accountants, and some other more obscure niches. Most people aren't professionals, and the word has become misused to mean 'skilled workers with high standards'. Bascially employers want the advantages of professional status without conferring on their employees the control that is the natural concomitant. Computer programmers are rarely professionals in the true sense, but ususally professional in the bastardised sense of the term.
From: Larz on 8 Feb 2010 11:18 I have a pretty good idea on this, I may not be typical. I basically was never convinced that work of any sort could be fun up to my early 20's. No one ever convinced me of that or ever thought it important enough to ever bring up the issue of whether work should be enjoyable or not. I was a paper boy, dishwasher, worked on farms, retail stores etc. I always have enjoyed being a musician I would say, but even that can be stifling depending on the situation. At one point in 1983 or so I decided I needed a career and took a COBOL class which to my surprise I found software interesting. After nearly flunking out of high school, I got a degree in CS and made the honor roll and did very well. When i started my career as a programmer, I discovered that managers, co workers and the business world at times can take alot of the fun out of it. On the other hand, this led me to discover meditation and the spiritual side of life as the stress and frustration inspired me to take up meditating on biblical psalms, buddhist meditation and a few yogi masters ..
From: Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn on 8 Feb 2010 11:46 Malcolm McLean wrote: > Strictly a "professional" is someone who is a member of a professional > body which regulates itself and has the right to control entry to the > profession. For instnace I can't simply buy scalpels and antiseptic > and set myself up as a brain surgeon - I have to go throguh the > British Medical Association before they'll let me chop people up. the > same is true for lawyers, accountants, and some other more obscure > niches. > > Most people aren't professionals, and the word has become misused to > mean 'skilled workers with high standards'. Bascially employers want > the advantages of professional status without conferring on their > employees the control that is the natural concomitant. > > Computer programmers are rarely professionals in the true sense, but > ususally professional in the bastardised sense of the term. Your notion of "computer programmer" is a bit outdated to say the least. This thread was about "software professionals". You might also want to update other parts of your knowledge: ,-<http://www.britannica.com/bps/dictionary?query=professional&header_go=> | | Main Entry: ¹pro·fes·sion·al | Pronunciation: \prə-ˈfesh-nəl, -ˈfe-shə-nəl\ | Function: adjective | Date: 1606 | | 1 a: of, relating to, or characteristic of a profession[1] | b: engaged in one of the learned professions | c (1): characterized by or conforming to the technical or ethical | standards of a profession | (2): exhibiting a courteous, conscientious, and generally | businesslike manner in the workplace | | 2 a: participating for gain or livelihood in an activity or field of | endeavor often engaged in by amateurs <a ∼ golfer> | b: having a particular profession as a permanent career | <a ∼ soldier> | c: engaged in by persons receiving financial return <∼ football> | | 3: following a line of conduct as though it were a profession | <a ∼ patriot> | — pro·fess·ion·ally adverb | |----------------------------------------------------------------------- | | Main Entry: ²professional | Function: noun | Date: 1811 | | one that is professional; especially: one that engages in a pursuit or | activity professionally [1] | Main Entry:pro·fes·sion | Pronunciation: \prə-ˈfe-shən\ | Function: noun | Etymology: Middle English professioun, from Anglo-French profession, | from Late Latin & Latin; Late Latin profession-, professio, | from Latin, public declaration, from profitēri | Date: 13th century | | 1: the act of taking the vows of a religious community | 2: an act of openly declaring or publicly claiming a belief, faith, | or opinion : protestation | 3: an avowed religious faith | 4 a: a calling requiring specialized knowledge and often long and | intensive academic preparation | b: a principal calling, vocation, or employment | c: the whole body of persons engaged in a calling So much for "bastardised". F'up2 poster PointedEars -- var bugRiddenCrashPronePieceOfJunk = ( navigator.userAgent.indexOf('MSIE 5') != -1 && navigator.userAgent.indexOf('Mac') != -1 ) // Plone, register_function.js:16
From: Ivan Marsh on 8 Feb 2010 12:07
Malcolm McLean wrote: > On Feb 8, 1:43 am, James Kanze <james.ka...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> On Feb 5, 3:14 pm, Patricia Shanahan <p...(a)acm.org> wrote: >> >> [...] >> >> > That said, by definition professionals are, to some extent, in >> > it for the money. If they were not, they would be amateurs as >> > I am now. How that is balanced against interesting work, >> > physical working conditions, status, etc. varies. >> >> I'm not sure if the word "professional" has the same conotations >> in English as it does in French, but from the French meaning, I >> don't think you can be truely a "professional" if you're only in >> it for the money. "Professional" implies being paid for what >> you do, but it also implies a certain degree of personal >> standards with regards to quality and such---a "professional" >> will take pride in his work. >> > Strictly a "professional" is someone who is a member of a professional > body which regulates itself and has the right to control entry to the > profession. For instnace I can't simply buy scalpels and antiseptic > and set myself up as a brain surgeon - I have to go throguh the > British Medical Association before they'll let me chop people up. the > same is true for lawyers, accountants, and some other more obscure > niches. > > Most people aren't professionals, and the word has become misused to > mean 'skilled workers with high standards'. Bascially employers want > the advantages of professional status without conferring on their > employees the control that is the natural concomitant. > > Computer programmers are rarely professionals in the true sense, but > ususally professional in the bastardised sense of the term. The 1950's were totally awesome. -- "All right, all right, if it will make you happy, I will overthrow society." - Philip J. Fry |