From: Dirk Bruere at NeoPax on
MarkusSchaber wrote:
> On 5 Feb., 13:23, Richard Cornford <Rich...(a)litotes.demon.co.uk>
> wrote:
>> On Feb 5, 11:19 am, Stefan Kiryazov wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> I am doing a research about motivation in software development,
>>> the most efficient practices to motivate software engineers,
>>> their popularity, etc.
>> Strange question; the most efficient motivator of professionals is
>> money, [...]
>
> This was proven wrong by Science. Read Bruce Eckels excellent blog
> entries about this topic, he always references relliable sources on
> this subject.

Depends.
Right now I am primarily motivated by money, or at least the lack of it.

--
Dirk

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From: MarkusSchaber on
Hi, Dirk,

On 8 Feb., 03:18, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <dirk.bru...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> I am doing a research about motivation in software development,
> >>> the most efficient practices to motivate software engineers,
> >>> their popularity, etc.
> >> Strange question; the most efficient motivator of professionals is
> >> money, [...]
> > This was proven wrong by Science. Read Bruce Eckels excellent blog
> > entries about this topic, he always references relliable sources on
> > this subject.
> Depends.
> Right now I am primarily motivated by money, or at least the lack of it.

I won't dispute that money is a motivator, but it is not the most
efficient motivator. The more money you pay, the more you will attract
those developers which are purely after the money, and not the really
good ones. For the latter ones, a certain level on the paycheck is
enough to give attention to fun, excitement, atmosphere and such
factors.
From: Dirk Bruere at NeoPax on
MarkusSchaber wrote:
> Hi, Dirk,
>
> On 8 Feb., 03:18, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <dirk.bru...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I am doing a research about motivation in software development,
>>>>> the most efficient practices to motivate software engineers,
>>>>> their popularity, etc.
>>>> Strange question; the most efficient motivator of professionals is
>>>> money, [...]
>>> This was proven wrong by Science. Read Bruce Eckels excellent blog
>>> entries about this topic, he always references relliable sources on
>>> this subject.
>> Depends.
>> Right now I am primarily motivated by money, or at least the lack of it.
>
> I won't dispute that money is a motivator, but it is not the most
> efficient motivator. The more money you pay, the more you will attract
> those developers which are purely after the money, and not the really
> good ones. For the latter ones, a certain level on the paycheck is
> enough to give attention to fun, excitement, atmosphere and such
> factors.

I once joked with an employer that if he paid me twice as much I would
only have to work half as long :-)

--
Dirk

http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
http://www.theconsensus.org/ - A UK political party
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe - Occult Talk Show
From: Lew on
MarkusSchaber wrote:
>> I won't dispute that money is a motivator, but it is not the most
>> efficient motivator. The more money you pay, the more you will attract
>> those developers which are purely after the money, and not the really
>> good ones. For the latter ones, a certain level on the paycheck is
>> enough to give attention to fun, excitement, atmosphere and such
>> factors.

Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:
> I once joked with an employer that if he paid me twice as much I would
> only have to work half as long :-)

Given that nearly nobody gives a perfect working environment, or even close,
money is the primary distinguisher. As a contract worker, I've seen a few
dozen IT workplaces. The grass is never greener. Offer me twice as much
compensation as the other potential employer and my talents are yours to exploit.

It's not that money is the motivator. The question is leading and extremely
ill cast. I don't depend on anyone else for my motivation. Money is the
decider; it decides whether and where I work. It doesn't determine how.

To get meaningful answers, the survey would have to ask meaningful questions.

--
Lew
From: Malcolm McLean on
On Feb 8, 1:43 am, James Kanze <james.ka...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 5, 3:14 pm, Patricia Shanahan <p...(a)acm.org> wrote:
>
>     [...]
>
> > That said, by definition professionals are, to some extent, in
> > it for the money. If they were not, they would be amateurs as
> > I am now. How that is balanced against interesting work,
> > physical working conditions, status, etc. varies.
>
> I'm not sure if the word "professional" has the same conotations
> in English as it does in French, but from the French meaning, I
> don't think you can be truely a "professional" if you're only in
> it for the money.  "Professional" implies being paid for what
> you do, but it also implies a certain degree of personal
> standards with regards to quality and such---a "professional"
> will take pride in his work.
>
Strictly a "professional" is someone who is a member of a professional
body which regulates itself and has the right to control entry to the
profession. For instnace I can't simply buy scalpels and antiseptic
and set myself up as a brain surgeon - I have to go throguh the
British Medical Association before they'll let me chop people up. the
same is true for lawyers, accountants, and some other more obscure
niches.

Most people aren't professionals, and the word has become misused to
mean 'skilled workers with high standards'. Bascially employers want
the advantages of professional status without conferring on their
employees the control that is the natural concomitant.

Computer programmers are rarely professionals in the true sense, but
ususally professional in the bastardised sense of the term.