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From: rotfl on 4 Jul 2010 20:07
Q posted:

>In <news:Xns9DA8B72813ADAbearbottoms1gmaicom(a)news.albasani.net>,
>Bear Bottoms <bearbotto...(a)gmai.com> wrote:
>
>> rotfl <email.frank...(a)yahoo.com.sg> wrote in
>> news:7654ebd829b7124cb0fc0931fda6f4dd(a)msgid.frell.theremailer.net:
>>
>> > But the sad reality is that not all progress is "good". Vista was
>> > not good but taken up by huge numbers of people thru vendors
>> > pre-loading it and users wanting the latest "thing", believing it
>> > sets them apart from neanderthals.
>>
>> and that is proof that what is not good, the market will kill.
>
>Is that how the super-crashy Windows 95 and 98 came to dominate a
>market that had operating systems that didn't crash a few times a day?
>It's an interesting question, since a monopoly was formed which has
>continued to abuse and distort the market in a host of unethical and
>illegal ways all these years since.


Strawman argument.

Win95/98 were successful, not because of their flaws but because they
offered users much more than what they replaced: DOS, and there was no
other mainstream alternative. If there had been a better op/sys that
offered what Windows offered 'without' the flaws, the market would have
killed Windows PDQ. Be clear about that. OS/2 didn't cut the mustard.

Since then, MS have used every strong arm tactic to embed Windows into
the marketplace and it has largely succeeded because there is still no
alternative at this time for millions of users.

HTH

rotfl

From: »Q« on 4 Jul 2010 21:03
In <news:fd0ac08c693302b1097723e0dd71785e(a)msgid.frell.theremailer.net>,
rotfl <email.franklin(a)yahoo.com.sg> wrote:

> Q posted:
>
> >In <news:Xns9DA8B72813ADAbearbottoms1gmaicom(a)news.albasani.net>,
> >Bear Bottoms <bearbotto...(a)gmai.com> wrote:
> >
> >> rotfl <email.frank...(a)yahoo.com.sg> wrote in
> >> news:7654ebd829b7124cb0fc0931fda6f4dd(a)msgid.frell.theremailer.net:
> >>
> >> > But the sad reality is that not all progress is "good". Vista was
> >> > not good but taken up by huge numbers of people thru vendors
> >> > pre-loading it and users wanting the latest "thing", believing it
> >> > sets them apart from neanderthals.
> >>
> >> and that is proof that what is not good, the market will kill.
> >
> >Is that how the super-crashy Windows 95 and 98 came to dominate a
> >market that had operating systems that didn't crash a few times a
> >day? It's an interesting question, since a monopoly was formed which
> >has continued to abuse and distort the market in a host of unethical
> >and illegal ways all these years since.
>
> Strawman argument.
>
> Win95/98 were successful, not because of their flaws but because they
> offered users much more than what they replaced: DOS, and there was no
> other mainstream alternative.

I disagree with so many of your assumptions that it's not worth getting
into most of this.

(An aside: it's not as if Microsoft's unethical, anti-competitive
practices started with the release of Windows.)

> If there had been a better op/sys that offered what Windows offered
> 'without' the flaws, the market would have killed Windows PDQ. Be
> clear about that. OS/2 didn't cut the mustard.
>
> Since then, MS have used every strong arm tactic to embed Windows into
> the marketplace and it has largely succeeded because there is still no
> alternative at this time for millions of users.

Circular argument, if that's an argument at all. Once you assume that
Windows would have failed had it not been the best (be clear about
that), you're sort of stuck with your assumption/conclusion that it was
actually the best. Your assumption that there's no alternative at
*this* time is even more far out there.
From: »Q« on 6 Jul 2010 00:27
In <news:Xns9DAC5E3831237bearbottoms1gmaicom(a)news.albasani.net>,
Bear Bottoms <bearbottoms1(a)gmai.com> wrote:

> He pretty much nailed it.

Who?

> As usual, you are off the mark Q.

Where is the mark Q?

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