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From: Martin Gregorie on 16 Jul 2007 13:39 Daniel James wrote: > In article news:<33eqm4-k1e.ln1(a)zoogz.gregorie.org>, Martin Gregorie wrote: >> Sure, but why use such a short PIN in the first place? Six or eight >> digits would be better or there really people who can remember their >> phone number but not another, similarly sized, PIN? > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6230194.stm (apparently). > Interesting, and it sounds like as good a reason as any for using such a short PIN. -- martin@ | Martin Gregorie gregorie. | Essex, UK org |
From: Chris Davies on 18 Jul 2007 04:30 Daniel James <wastebasket(a)nospam.aaisp.org> wrote: > It's said that with practice a criminal can learn to read the PIN > you're entering just by watching the movement of your wrist -- he > doesn't need to be able to see you fingers or the keys. Reference? (Oh, no I forgot: this is usenet... ;-) Does this mean that my using fingers on both hands to enter my PIN helps (me) somewhat, then? What about that I use the knuckle of one of my fingers, because folding that finger further obscures part of the keypad? Curious, Chris
From: Ian Rawlings on 18 Jul 2007 06:29 On 2007-07-18, Chris Davies <chris-usenet(a)roaima.co.uk> wrote: > Does this mean that my using fingers on both hands to enter my PIN helps > (me) somewhat, then? What about that I use the knuckle of one of my > fingers, because folding that finger further obscures part of the keypad? Personally I let off a smoke grenade when typing my PIN. -- Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!
From: Daniel James on 19 Jul 2007 06:38 In article news:<clv0n4-f54.ln1(a)news.roaima.co.uk>, Chris Davies wrote: > Daniel James <wastebasket(a)nospam.aaisp.org> wrote: > > It's said that with practice a criminal can learn to read the PIN > > you're entering just by watching the movement of your wrist -- he > > doesn't need to be able to see you fingers or the keys. > > Reference? (Oh, no I forgot: this is usenet... ;-) I *think* I got that at a talk I attended, given by a fraud investigator from the Met ... but my forgettery may be failing me on that one. > Does this mean that my using fingers on both hands to enter my PIN helps > (me) somewhat, then? What about that I use the knuckle of one of my > fingers, because folding that finger further obscures part of the keypad? I'd say it probably does ... but I'm not an expert. I tend to hold my wallet (from which I have just removed the card, so it's in my hand anyway) over the PIN pad as I enter the PIN -- I'm sure that helps, but I'm not sure how much. Cheers, Daniel.
From: Dave Liquorice on 19 Jul 2007 20:04
On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 10:48:30 +0100, Daniel James wrote: > It's said that with practice a criminal can learn to read the PIN you're > entering just by watching the movement of your wrist -- he doesn't need > to be able to see you fingers or the keys. That is presumably why number keypads with security designed in don't have the numbers in a fixed position. Each button is a display and the number positions change for each use of the pad. Now that would seriously confuse the public, I generally enter my PINs by the pattern not the numbers. When C&P came in I had terrible trouble, I could remember 2 pins but bung a 3rd in and one of the others had to go... -- Cheers new5pam(a)howhill.com Dave. pam is missing e-mail |