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From: Carl on 24 May 2010 14:17
On May 24, 2:10 pm, J G Miller <mil...(a)yoyo.ORG> wrote:
> On Mon, 24 May 2010 10:51:12 -0700, Carl wrote:
> > Seagate 80GB
>
> So the maximum fastest transfer rate for that will be 100 MBytes per second,
> will it not?
>
> Have you considered upgrading to something newer?  ;)
>
> 500 Gbyte 2.5 inch Western Digital Caviar Blue SATA perhaps,
> or Seagate equivalent?

No. That's a lot faster than USB 2.0 can do, and I don't have an
eSATA port on my laptop.
From: Paul on 24 May 2010 14:58
Carl wrote:
>>> It's a 2.5" USB drive enclosure. It doesn't have a plug for a power
>>> adapter.
>> In that case move the hdd to an external drive case that has an additional
>> power plug recepticle on it. Make sure you find out what the internal
>> connector is for your 2.5" hdd (IDE or SATA)
>>
>> As an example. With these drives you would need to purchase an additional
>> power to USB cable, but it should certainly work if you have two USB ports
>> available and one to use for a mouse. This one has an internal SATA
>> connection.
>>
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817145329
>>
>> --
>> Jan Alter
>> bear...(a)verizon.net
>
> That page says "There's no external power necessary either, since the
> drive gets its power from your computer." I already have an external
> drive case - that's how I'm accessing my 2.5 " IDE drive via a USB
> port.
>
> I don't see any listing on E-Bay matching "wall wart USB socket" as
> someone else here suggested (0 listings), and I don't see anything
> relevant when searching for "power usb cable." What EXACTLY is it
> called - a transformer you plug in the wall, and it has a cable with a
> USB socket on the end of it. Thanks.

There are other ways to get power to the drive. And you have to be
careful with the various adapter routes, because some of them are
*still* using the USB cable for power.

To start with, I think this adapter is key to success. It converts
IDE 2.5" 44 pin, to a separate 40 pin IDE and a power connector. $8
This allows you to *prove* how the drive is getting power.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812203012

Once you're using that adapter, the resulting interface looks like
a 3.5" drive. The purpose of me converting to 3.5" drive format,
is to guarantee the wall wart adapter is used to power the drive.

Now, buy one of these kits. Plug the Kinamax Molex plug, into the
AC adapter in this kit. Connect the Kinamax 40 pin data, to the Vantec
adapter dongle 40 pin (3.5") interface.

VANTEC CB-ISATAU2 SATA/IDE to USB 2.0 Adapter $20
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812232002

The reason that song and dance is necessary, is because the Vantec
is set up to power 2.5" drives via the USB bus (which you don't want,
since you've already proved the laptop doesn't have the power).
By converting the drive interface to 3.5" IDE style connector,
there is an opportunity to power from the AC adapter.

*******

Another alternative, is to combine the 2.5" IDE drive, the Kinamax
44 pin to 40 pin adapter, plus a larger enclosure. The enclosure
should be large enough to completely contain the goods inside.
The only thing missing, is a method to fasten the drive to the
housing. If you want a method of doing that, you can buy small
adapter "sleds", to convert from one drive format to another.

I use one of these for my DVD burner. I share it via USB, so that
it can be connected to any of my USB2 computers, without having
to fit every computer with its own new burner. This has IDE 3.5"
interface, so the Kinamax adapter can be used to allow
connecting a 44 pin 2.5" drive. This has a power switch on
it as well, which I find convenient.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817604006

View of back, showing barrel power input

http://images17.newegg.com/is/image/newegg/17-604-006-S03?$S640W$

Paul
From: Jan Alter on 24 May 2010 16:26
Here is a macally 2.5" external enclosure. It comes with the power cable I
mentioned in the first post.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817347013

The link below will show you a picture of the cables that come with it.

Looking at the center cable is the one you would want for power to the
external enclosure from the USB to computer end

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ImageGallery.aspx?CurImage=17-347-013-S05&SCList=17-347-013-S01%2c17-347-013-S02%2c17-347-013-S03%2c17-347-013-S04%2c17-347-013-S05%2c17-347-013-S06%2c17-347-013-S07&S7ImageFlag=2&Item=N82E16817347013&Depa=0&WaterMark=1&Description=macally%20PHRS250CC%202.5%22%20USB%202.0%20%26%201394%20External%20Enclosure


Looking up the name of this cable in one of their manuals they call it a
'USB power cable'.

By the way, the Macally enclosure I used as an example is for a SATA hdd,
and you would need an IDE internal connector enclosure.

--
Jan Alter
bearpuf(a)verizon.net
"Carl" <carl33(a)mailinator.com> wrote in message
news:2cdb618a-cf07-42a9-9fcd-3442d5873389(a)o15g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
>> >It's a 2.5" USB drive enclosure. It doesn't have a plug for a power
>> >adapter.
>>
>> In that case move the hdd to an external drive case that has an
>> additional
>> power plug recepticle on it. Make sure you find out what the internal
>> connector is for your 2.5" hdd (IDE or SATA)
>>
>> As an example. With these drives you would need to purchase an additional
>> power to USB cable, but it should certainly work if you have two USB
>> ports
>> available and one to use for a mouse. This one has an internal SATA
>> connection.
>>
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817145329
>>
>> --
>> Jan Alter
>> bear...(a)verizon.net
>
> That page says "There's no external power necessary either, since the
> drive gets its power from your computer." I already have an external
> drive case - that's how I'm accessing my 2.5 " IDE drive via a USB
> port.
>
> I don't see any listing on E-Bay matching "wall wart USB socket" as
> someone else here suggested (0 listings), and I don't see anything
> relevant when searching for "power usb cable." What EXACTLY is it
> called - a transformer you plug in the wall, and it has a cable with a
> USB socket on the end of it. Thanks.


From: Carl on 24 May 2010 18:00
On May 24, 2:58 pm, Paul <nos...(a)needed.com> wrote:
> Carl wrote:
> >>> It's a 2.5" USB drive enclosure. It doesn't have a plug for a power
> >>> adapter.
> >> In that case move the hdd to an external drive case that has an additional
> >> power plug recepticle on it. Make sure you find out what the internal
> >> connector is for your 2.5" hdd (IDE or SATA)
>
> >> As an example. With these drives you would need to purchase an additional
> >> power to USB cable, but it should certainly work if you have two USB ports
> >> available and one to use for a mouse. This one has an internal SATA
> >> connection.
>
> >>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817145329
>
> >> --
> >> Jan Alter
> >> bear...(a)verizon.net
>
> > That page says "There's no external power necessary either, since the
> > drive gets its power from your computer."  I already have an external
> > drive case - that's how I'm accessing my 2.5 " IDE drive via a USB
> > port.
>
> > I don't see any listing on E-Bay matching "wall wart USB socket" as
> > someone else here suggested (0 listings), and I don't see anything
> > relevant when searching for "power usb cable."  What EXACTLY is it
> > called - a transformer you plug in the wall, and it has a cable with a
> > USB socket on the end of it.  Thanks.
>
> There are other ways to get power to the drive. And you have to be
> careful with the various adapter routes, because some of them are
> *still* using the USB cable for power.
>
> To start with, I think this adapter is key to success. It converts
> IDE 2.5" 44 pin, to a separate 40 pin IDE and a power connector. $8
> This allows you to *prove* how the drive is getting power.
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812203012
>
> Once you're using that adapter, the resulting interface looks like
> a 3.5" drive. The purpose of me converting to 3.5" drive format,
> is to guarantee the wall wart adapter is used to power the drive.
>
> Now, buy one of these kits. Plug the Kinamax Molex plug, into the
> AC adapter in this kit. Connect the Kinamax 40 pin data, to the Vantec
> adapter dongle 40 pin (3.5") interface.
>
> VANTEC CB-ISATAU2 SATA/IDE to USB 2.0 Adapter    $20http://www.newegg..com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812232002
>
> The reason that song and dance is necessary, is because the Vantec
> is set up to power 2.5" drives via the USB bus (which you don't want,
> since you've already proved the laptop doesn't have the power).
> By converting the drive interface to 3.5" IDE style connector,
> there is an  opportunity to power from the AC adapter.
>
> *******
>
> Another alternative, is to combine the 2.5" IDE drive, the Kinamax
> 44 pin to 40 pin adapter, plus a larger enclosure. The enclosure
> should be large enough to completely contain the goods inside.
> The only thing missing, is a method to fasten the drive to the
> housing. If you want a method of doing that, you can buy small
> adapter "sleds", to convert from one drive format to another.
>
> I use one of these for my DVD burner. I share it via USB, so that
> it can be connected to any of my USB2 computers, without having
> to fit every computer with its own new burner. This has IDE 3.5"
> interface, so the Kinamax adapter can be used to allow
> connecting a 44 pin 2.5" drive. This has a power switch on
> it as well, which I find convenient.
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817604006
>
> View of back, showing barrel power input
>
> http://images17.newegg.com/is/image/newegg/17-604-006-S03?$S640W$
>
>     Paul

Thanks. That's good info. Maybe you know something about this- The
reason my drive is external is because my newer Thinkpad has a smaller
capacity hard drive than my older Thinkpad. (I upgraded the old one's
drive, and it's actually newer than the newer Thinkpad.) The drive
doesn't fit it the newer thinkpad - it's the same size, and the pins
line up, but there's this piece of plastic/metal just after the end of
the pins that keeps it from fitting. (I was thinking - Drimmel tool
- but I wouldn't dare.) My DVD-Burner from my older Thinkpad (also
an upgrade) won't fit either, it's too big. My newer Thinkpad just
has it's CD-Writer/DVD reader. There's a Thinkpad adapter that allows
you to plug in the DVD-Writer into the PCMCIA slot, but it's $60, and
too rare to find cheaper on E-Bay. I'd be interested in getting my
DVD-Burner connected to the new (working) laptop, if it was cheaper
than just buying a new burner. (It's called an UltraSlimBay Drive or
something like that - different stuff can go in the same slot.)

From: Paul on 24 May 2010 21:44
Carl wrote:

>
> Thanks. That's good info. Maybe you know something about this- The
> reason my drive is external is because my newer Thinkpad has a smaller
> capacity hard drive than my older Thinkpad. (I upgraded the old one's
> drive, and it's actually newer than the newer Thinkpad.) The drive
> doesn't fit it the newer thinkpad - it's the same size, and the pins
> line up, but there's this piece of plastic/metal just after the end of
> the pins that keeps it from fitting. (I was thinking - Drimmel tool
> - but I wouldn't dare.) My DVD-Burner from my older Thinkpad (also
> an upgrade) won't fit either, it's too big. My newer Thinkpad just
> has it's CD-Writer/DVD reader. There's a Thinkpad adapter that allows
> you to plug in the DVD-Writer into the PCMCIA slot, but it's $60, and
> too rare to find cheaper on E-Bay. I'd be interested in getting my
> DVD-Burner connected to the new (working) laptop, if it was cheaper
> than just buying a new burner. (It's called an UltraSlimBay Drive or
> something like that - different stuff can go in the same slot.)
>

Do you have model numbers for the old and new Thinkpads ?
I'd like to find a picture first, of what the adapter looks like,
to offer a comment.

I'm not a laptop repair guy. I've just seen the odd picture
of laptop components. I know they use adapters for hard drives,
even in cases where it doesn't make a lot of sense. That's
probably what you're seeing, is an adapter that is removable.

Paul
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