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From: osmium on 1 Oct 2009 09:33 "Francis Glassborow" wrote: > me(a)privacy.net wrote: >> Francis Glassborow <francis.glassborow(a)btinternet.com> >> wrote: >> >>>> Can you guys recommend a book for someone on my level I >>>> can buy from Amazon? >>> I wrote 'You Can Do It' for people like you and my co-author was someone >>> with no programming experience whatsoever. >> >> Your book above arrived in the mail today >> >> haven't looked at it yet tho > > OK. I have just got back from a fortnight's holiday in Italy, hence the > silence. What a fascinating conversation between you two. I can hardly wait for the next thrilling installment.
From: Carsten on 8 Oct 2009 05:16 On 9 Sep., 19:37, m...(a)privacy.net wrote: > I'm trying to teach myself some C++ > > I have NO programming experience...... none.... > zip...... null > > Can you guys recommend a book for someone on my level I > can buy from Amazon? Spoken from my heart. But I can do Visual Basic, and has installed a free version of 'Studio 08.C++', so I could probably start out, and look at the auto-code that's being generated from 'drag'n drop' (bwt, what happened to the intelliSense. Where did it go?) I'm postponing, with a christmas-feeling from Bjarne Stoutrups spoken intend to make the next version easier ... but I know that I'm just kidding myself to think that I'm off the hook. I've just finished a Visual Basic program using DirectX3D. DirectX3D is 1) one big abstraction and 2) it's 'BIG'. Less than 1/1000 of my code adresses DirectX3D, and only becourse it has to. C++ must be 'BIGGER'. My point is ... naa, I can fall back to VB, you cann't ... that you could leave out 'something', to get a better focus on what you really 'need'. That's sort of stupid thing to say, becourse it'll be your approach in any circumstance. I feel fortunate, becourse I have a good idea of, what C++ can do and other languages cannot. That gives me an orientation as to which direction to go. I'll be dropping by from time to time Carsten Glassborow, I've just been there too (Italy)! ... Catapulted by my new 3D-editor and flying in USGS Digital Elevation Data. Except for a few transparent layers of blue on the seaside, and the scent of timian, it was perfect ;o) Thank you for your initiative with the book. (apologies for keeping writing) In VB 'Interfaces' pussled me. Getting a bit to grips with C++, it's obviously transfering a deep C++ structure to VB, and other languages that uses it. And it's a sort of obstacle for conseptual clarity as to what code is/does: A class can hide what's within, but the C++, once and for all, reassures that a coding-work can stay propretaire, by stoving implimentation away behind interface (if I got it right) My deep consern is, in short, that this deeply nested priority serves propretaire-rights rather than coding-effisciency (if you add 'learning the language' to part of the effisciency). .... That would make C++ a politically incorrect choise of language, unless you'r conservative/republican, would'nt it?
From: osmium on 8 Oct 2009 06:44 "Carsten" wrote: > In VB 'Interfaces' pussled me. Getting a bit to grips with C++, it's > obviously transfering a deep C++ structure to VB, and other languages > that uses it. And it's a sort of obstacle for conseptual clarity as to > what code is/does: A class can hide what's within, but the C++, once > and for all, reassures that a coding-work can stay propretaire, by > stoving implimentation away behind interface (if I got it right) My > deep consern is, in short, that this deeply nested priority serves > propretaire-rights rather than coding-effisciency (if you add > 'learning the language' to part of the effisciency). The notion of protecting proprietary rights, a good idea, went out the window with almost all practical implementations of templates. The "export" keyword was, as they say on TV, dead on arrival. I don't really know what your comment was about, but I sense the word "proprietary" in there, so this may be germane. http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq-lite/templates.html#faq-35.14
From: Carsten on 8 Oct 2009 10:47 > > The notion of protecting proprietary rights, a good idea, went out the > window with almost all practical implementations of templates. The "export" > keyword was, as they say on TV, dead on arrival. > > I don't really know what your comment was about, but I sense the word > "proprietary" in there, so this may be germane. > > http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq-lite/templates.html#faq-35.14 I was kind of aerating a philosofical sentiment about the overall character of C++. I just come back from reading at www.parashift.com, where he reasonably concludes, that business-issues always dominate technical issues - that was in essence my point. The most informational support I got for my VB programme was through reading C++ or sometimes C#. So I feel that I 'know' it ... yet, I also know, that its far away from writing anything sensible in the language itself. The starter question of m...Privacy(a)Net brings back some funny (in retrospect) memories of my first visit to a code-editor. It was into the vb-module usually attatched to Microsoft.Offic's components (Excel), of which I wasn't very aquinted with in the first place. It was like entering a space-rocket and accidentally having your elbow hit the 'take-off'-button. ;o/ I don't even think, that I could find my way back into Excel then, but I had been looking for it, and knew, that I had found something important. My twin-sister touched a pc-tastature-button for the first time 3 month ago, and I've been eager to help. It's being a reminder of how difficult it is to start.
From: gellertkis on 10 Oct 2009 03:47
On Sep 11, 12:52 pm, Francis Glassborow <francis.glassbo...(a)btinternet.com> wrote: > m...(a)privacy.net wrote: > > Francis Glassborow <francis.glassbo...(a)btinternet.com> > > wrote: > > >> I wrote 'You Can Do It' for people like you and my co-author was someone > >> with no programming experience whatsoever. > > > OK > > > I ordered it! > > Good luck. Feel free to ask questions about it here as I regularly read > this newsgroup. I got your book. but stopped about a half hour reading when i had difficulties making work basic "playpen" example with visual studio 2008. I havent got a CD with a book. I downloaded the files from your website. At my current level ,i cant linking, compiling the whole playpen packages. I do some trys, but VS2008 gave me a bunch of errors in playpen.h now i read this books: * Bjarne Stroustrup - The C++ Programming Language (Special 3rd Edition) * Bjarne Stroustrup - Programming -- Principles and Practice Using C+ + ; December 2008. http://www.research.att.com/~bs/programming.html * Ivor Hortons Beginning Visual C++®2008 , Published by Wiley Publishing, Inc. this is very good too: * C++ Primer Plus ,Fifth Edition , 2005 by Sams Publishing * Professional C++ , 2005 by Published by Wiley Publishing, Inc. |