Need advice: Panasonic FZ35 vs Canon SX20
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From: Bob Larter on 9 Dec 2009 07:11 Bob Larter is Lionel Lauer - Look it up. wrote: > On Sat, 05 Dec 2009 18:59:38 +1000, Bob Larter <bobbylarter(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Outing Trolls is FUN! wrote: >>> On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 14:40:06 GMT, "David J Taylor" >>> <david-taylor(a)blueyonder.not-this-bit.nor-this-part.co.uk.invalid> wrote: >>> >>>> "Paul Ciszek" <nospam(a)nospam.com> wrote in message >>>> news:hf396a$gld$1(a)reader1.panix.com... >>>> [] >>>>> Rather, I figured that since I can't understand the photographerese >>>>> in the cameralabs articles I linked to well enough to determine if >>>>> they were saying one is better than the other, I must not need an >>>>> SLR yet. >>>> I was responding to your remark about image quality important. Many of >>>> today's DSLRs have an automatic mode which works in a similar way to that >>>> on a compact camera, but you may want to use less automation to get more >>>> control of the settings once you learn more about photography, and that >>>> applies equally to DSLRs as is does to small sensor cameras. >>>> >>>> In ideal taking conditions, small-sensor cameras can produce good quality >>>> images, but if the light is poor, and the camera's sensitivity needs to be >>>> increased (and cameras will do this automatically for you), the "noise" in >>>> the image will increase, leading to a grainy appearance and some loss of >>>> detail. >>> Yet pro photographers have been taking photos on ASA25, ASA64, ASA100, and >>> ASA200 all their lives for nearly a century. >> Not at night, they haven't. >> >>> Higher ISOs are only required >>> by those that don't know how to use a camera properly--beginner >>> snapshooters. >> Ever heard of Tri-X? > > > Bob Larter's legal name: Lionel Lauer > Home news-group, an actual group in the "troll-tracker" hierarchy: > alt.kook.lionel-lauer (established on, or before, 2004) > Registered Description: "the 'owner of several troll domains' needs a group where he'll stay on topic." > > <http://groups.google.com/groups/search?hl=en&num=10&as_ugroup=alt.kook.lionel-lauer> > > "Results 1 - 10 of about 2,170 for group:alt.kook.lionel-lauer." I'll take that as a "No". ;^) -- W . | ,. w , "Some people are alive only because \|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est ---^----^---------------------------------------------------------------
From: Bob Larter on 9 Dec 2009 07:14 NameHere wrote: > On Mon, 7 Dec 2009 10:27:06 -0500, "J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet(a)cox.net> > wrote: > >> However for macro work, if one is serious about it, the camera is just the >> iceberg tip. One also needs decent and somewhat specialized lighting and >> proper camera supports. > > This is where a P&S camera excels. No special lighting nor supports are > required. Due to the deeper DOF you can shoot remarkable macro photos using > available light at all times at wider apertures at hand-held shutter > speeds. Really? Show us a few 1:1 or even 2:1 macro shots taken with a P&S. I won't hold my breath while I wait. -- W . | ,. w , "Some people are alive only because \|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est ---^----^---------------------------------------------------------------
From: Bob Larter is Lionel Lauer - Look it up. on 9 Dec 2009 12:18 On Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:14:02 +1100, Bob Larter <bobbylarter(a)gmail.com> wrote: >NameHere wrote: >> On Mon, 7 Dec 2009 10:27:06 -0500, "J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet(a)cox.net> >> wrote: >> >>> However for macro work, if one is serious about it, the camera is just the >>> iceberg tip. One also needs decent and somewhat specialized lighting and >>> proper camera supports. >> >> This is where a P&S camera excels. No special lighting nor supports are >> required. Due to the deeper DOF you can shoot remarkable macro photos using >> available light at all times at wider apertures at hand-held shutter >> speeds. > >Really? Show us a few 1:1 or even 2:1 macro shots taken with a P&S. I >won't hold my breath while I wait. Bob Larter's legal name: Lionel Lauer Home news-group, an actual group in the "troll-tracker" hierarchy: alt.kook.lionel-lauer (established on, or before, 2004) Registered Description: "the 'owner of several troll domains' needs a group where he'll stay on topic." <http://groups.google.com/groups/search?hl=en&num=10&as_ugroup=alt.kook.lionel-lauer> "Results 1 - 10 of about 2,170 for group:alt.kook.lionel-lauer."
From: Bob Larter on 9 Dec 2009 20:24 Bob Larter is Lionel Lauer - Look it up. wrote: > On Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:14:02 +1100, Bob Larter <bobbylarter(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> NameHere wrote: >>> On Mon, 7 Dec 2009 10:27:06 -0500, "J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet(a)cox.net> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> However for macro work, if one is serious about it, the camera is just the >>>> iceberg tip. One also needs decent and somewhat specialized lighting and >>>> proper camera supports. >>> This is where a P&S camera excels. No special lighting nor supports are >>> required. Due to the deeper DOF you can shoot remarkable macro photos using >>> available light at all times at wider apertures at hand-held shutter >>> speeds. >> Really? Show us a few 1:1 or even 2:1 macro shots taken with a P&S. I >> won't hold my breath while I wait. > > > Bob Larter's legal name: Lionel Lauer > Home news-group, an actual group in the "troll-tracker" hierarchy: > alt.kook.lionel-lauer (established on, or before, 2004) > Registered Description: "the 'owner of several troll domains' needs a group where he'll stay on topic." > > <http://groups.google.com/groups/search?hl=en&num=10&as_ugroup=alt.kook.lionel-lauer> > > "Results 1 - 10 of about 2,170 for group:alt.kook.lionel-lauer." I didn't think you could. ;^) -- W . | ,. w , "Some people are alive only because \|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est ---^----^---------------------------------------------------------------
From: Chris Malcolm on 9 Dec 2009 20:49
Ray Fischer <rfischer(a)sonic.net> wrote: > Chris Malcolm <cam(a)holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote: >>Ray Fischer <rfischer(a)sonic.net> wrote: >>> Bart Bailey <me2(a)privacy.net> wrote: >>>>01:59:46 +0100, Wolfgang Weisselberg wrote: Begin >>>> >>>>>How do >>>>>you attach a studio flash system to a P&S camera. >>>> >>>>Use a slave trigger. >> >>> Now how do you attach a studio flash to a P&S without having the >>> camera's flash screw up the lighting? >> >>Reduce the power enough. > If that's even an option. >> If the camera controls can't do that enough, >>stick a bit of white paper over it. > Seems like it'd be a lot easier to use a better camera. I'm glad to hear that it's much easier for you to find a few hundred dollars than to stick a bit of paper over a flashgun window. Some of us are not so fortunate. -- Chris Malcolm |