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From: ampdoc on 4 Oct 2006 09:54

"jango2" <crow_slapper(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1159951627.292410.85700(a)m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/browse_thread/thread/8a1dc28658726ef5/d91bedb116e787ca?lnk=gst&q=trap+switch&rnum=1#d91bedb116e787ca
>
> Denying an independent technician access to service info and spares is
> one thing, but going to the extent of rigging the set with booby traps
> is pushing it too far. This Just reflects poorly on the mental make up
> of the designers and top shots in these organisations, they obviously
> lack a conscience and have issues with morality. I've convinced 8
> customers ever since that pioneer and jvc are bad buys and succesfully
> diverted them to other brands. So you wanna mess with us techies huh ?.
>

And what good did it do? Pioneer and JVC aren't the only companies whos
product uses a trap switch. The switch is there because hollywood
successfully lobbied to get it put there by law. Some products use other
schemes, some more secure and some less. Fact is once you know the switch is
there, or in the case of JVC optical sensor, you can cover it with a .02
cent piece of tape. Surely any tech worth his pay can find the switch
easily. RCA DLP's use a coded number passed on the HDMI cable from the
signal board to the light engine and shut down data transmission if the
cable is unplugged. Far as I can see none of these schemes are truly secure,
they just keep the average joe from copying content, much like a lock keeps
honest people honest. A crook will circumvent it anyway.

Quite honestly it isn't the manufacturer you should look at on this, it's
the Hollywood guys.

Personally as a tech I like the trap switch, because you sure know when
John Q Public has been screwing with the inside of the set!

Jammy



From: EDM on 4 Oct 2006 21:03
"ampdoc" <ampdoc(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:YCYUg.11762$zF5.7809(a)bignews1.bellsouth.net...
>
> "jango2" <crow_slapper(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:1159951627.292410.85700(a)m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
> >
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/browse_thread/thread/8a1dc28658726ef5/d91bedb116e787ca?lnk=gst&q=trap+switch&rnum=1#d91bedb116e787ca
> >
> > Denying an independent technician access to service info and spares is
> > one thing, but going to the extent of rigging the set with booby traps
> > is pushing it too far. This Just reflects poorly on the mental make up
> > of the designers and top shots in these organisations, they obviously
> > lack a conscience and have issues with morality. I've convinced 8
> > customers ever since that pioneer and jvc are bad buys and succesfully
> > diverted them to other brands. So you wanna mess with us techies huh ?.
> >
>
> And what good did it do? Pioneer and JVC aren't the only companies whos
> product uses a trap switch. The switch is there because hollywood
> successfully lobbied to get it put there by law. Some products use other
> schemes, some more secure and some less. Fact is once you know the switch is
> there, or in the case of JVC optical sensor, you can cover it with a .02
> cent piece of tape. Surely any tech worth his pay can find the switch
> easily. RCA DLP's use a coded number passed on the HDMI cable from the
> signal board to the light engine and shut down data transmission if the
> cable is unplugged. Far as I can see none of these schemes are truly secure,
> they just keep the average joe from copying content, much like a lock keeps
> honest people honest. A crook will circumvent it anyway.
>
> Quite honestly it isn't the manufacturer you should look at on this, it's
> the Hollywood guys.
>
> Personally as a tech I like the trap switch, because you sure know when
> John Q Public has been screwing with the inside of the set!

John Q Public has every right to 'screw with the inside of
the set', since he's the owner of it.


From: Michael A. Terrell on 5 Oct 2006 03:52
EDM wrote:
>
> John Q Public has every right to 'screw with the inside of
> the set', since he's the owner of it.


And to lie when he claims he hasn't been inside making things worse?


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
From: EDM on 5 Oct 2006 04:10
"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message news:4524B9B3.494FFAC2(a)earthlink.net...
> EDM wrote:
> >
> > John Q Public has every right to 'screw with the inside of
> > the set', since he's the owner of it.
>
>
> And to lie when he claims he hasn't been inside making things worse?

A decent repairman doesn't care about that. Give John a
damned quote, let him make the decision to either allow you
to fix his set or find someone else, and stop wagging your
penis at him.


From: Michael A. Terrell on 6 Oct 2006 01:41
David Nebenzahl wrote:
>
> So let me understand this: you got a piece of equipment in for warranty
> repair after the buyer had clearly been inside it and fucked things up,
> correct? It sounds to me as if *you* are the whiner here: why on earth
> did you (or the company you worked for) accept the equipment in the
> first place? Didn't it have one of those stickers warning that such
> actions would void the warranty? Wasn't this a clear violation of the
> terms of the warranty?


Never worked for a defense contractor? You don't refuse a return
from a government agency.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
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