Networking a printer (wireless or usb setup) Windows Starter
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From: Chad Harris on 7 May 2010 02:09 My friend has a couple printers--a new Epson 800 All in One and an older one. He has an I Mac and an Acer net book. The net book has Windows Starter. He should be able to use Bonjour on the Mac for Windows (I understand this is a MSFT newsgroup) to set up his network. He is not using a router. Windows Starter ( a good question is why) apparently doesn't have homegroup functionality. I also know homegroup when you have it won't work with a Vista or XP box . I tried to help him network his printer using the I Mac as an access point and installing and configuring (simple wizard) Bonjour for Windows on his Win 7 Starter netbook. I came up short, and we tried setting up the printer both wirelessly and USB. In my experience a wireless printer setup can be more fragile over the long hall than a USB setup (you may have to reinstall the driver to get scanning functionlality). I ran the Bonjour wizard successfully. There is a home group configuration on Starter, but it must be to use with another computer that is one of the other versions that has actual homegroup functionality. There is no actual sharing that will come up on Starter that I can see. I believe that if he had a router, I could get his wireless printer running. We know that if he upgraded to one of the other versions of Win 7 he could easily network the printer. Win 7 starter is recognizing his Epson printer, but the Homegroup dialogue box on it isn'r recognizing his Mac and I'm sure it's not been designed to do that. He gets an unhelpful message on the windows box that he does not have " fullaccess" (it doesn't say permissions to the printer Just in case this obliquely was referring to permissions I used the security tab of the printer to gain full permissions for users on the printer. I can get print jobs in the que but no printing. My friend believes this is because he doesn't have an *LPR port *available. I think he could get a default Virtual USB port if he had a router. Windows 7 Ultimate will recognize my printers the second I setup Win 7, but this is probably because it has Homegroup functionality. The only reason I have to install my HP driver for Win 7 is that while it will print from either of my printers out of the box, it won't scan without the HP Win 7 driver (or I've made the Vista HP driver work on Win 7 for the last two years before HP finally released Win 7 drivers). The port that is set up for me out of the box is Virtual USB for both printers even though one is wirelessly configured and that works. Can anyone shed some light on whether the router would get the job done without his upgrading to one of the other versions of Win 7 besides Starter that has homegroup functionality? TIA, CH
From: Chad Harris on 7 May 2010 02:16 I meant to add that when he setup the Printer wirelessly on the Mac, I jmade sure to have him type the same IP address that printer port configuration dialogue box shows @ printer properties into the Epson printer's wireless setup the way I do on my wireless printer to network it. My question is will getting a router without having a Windows 7 version other than starter that has homegroup functionality (printer sharing) help us at all or are we required to upgrade Win 7 so that he can get his printer networked and working? TIA, CH "Chad Harris" <Win7(a)yesshecan.net> wrote in message news:etvPYva7KHA.3964(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > My friend has a couple printers--a new Epson 800 All in One and an older > one. He has an I Mac and an Acer net book. The net book has Windows > Starter. He should be able to use Bonjour on the Mac for Windows (I > understand this is a MSFT newsgroup) to set up his network. > > He is not using a router. Windows Starter ( a good question is why) > apparently doesn't have homegroup functionality. I also know homegroup > when you have it won't work with a Vista or XP box . > > I tried to help him network his printer using the I Mac as an access point > and installing and configuring (simple wizard) Bonjour for Windows on his > Win 7 Starter netbook. I came up short, and we tried setting up the > printer both wirelessly and USB. In my experience a wireless printer > setup can be more fragile over the long hall than a USB setup (you may > have to reinstall the driver to get scanning functionlality). > > I ran the Bonjour wizard successfully. There is a home group > configuration on Starter, but it must be to use with another computer that > is one of the other versions that has actual homegroup functionality. > There is no actual sharing that will come up on Starter that I can see. > > I believe that if he had a router, I could get his wireless printer > running. We know that if he upgraded to one of the other versions of Win 7 > he could easily network the printer. > > Win 7 starter is recognizing his Epson printer, but the Homegroup dialogue > box on it isn'r recognizing his Mac and I'm sure it's not been designed to > do that. > > He gets an unhelpful message on the windows box that he does not have " > fullaccess" (it doesn't say permissions to the printer Just in case this > obliquely was referring to permissions I used the security tab of the > printer to gain full permissions for users on the printer. > > I can get print jobs in the que but no printing. My friend believes this > is because he doesn't have an *LPR port *available. I think he could get > a default Virtual USB port if he had a router. > > Windows 7 Ultimate will recognize my printers the second I setup Win 7, > but this is probably because it has Homegroup functionality. The only > reason I have to install my HP driver for Win 7 is that while it will > print from either of my printers out of the box, it won't scan without > the HP Win 7 driver (or I've made the Vista HP driver work on Win 7 for > the last two years before HP finally released Win 7 drivers). The port > that is set up for me out of the box is Virtual USB for both printers > even though one is wirelessly configured and that works. > > Can anyone shed some light on whether the router would get the job done > without his upgrading to one of the other versions of Win 7 besides > Starter that has homegroup functionality? > > TIA, > > CH
From: Jack [MVP-Networking] on 7 May 2010 16:35 Hi If he does not use a Router then he does Not have a Local Network (LAN). Regardless of every thing else, it is highly dangerous to do so. It means that his so called Networked computers is the Internet at large and it is Highly Not secured. First step he need to get a Router and establish Local network LAN. Win 7 when configured on peer-to-peer Network, Win 7 has three types of Sharing configurations. Home Network = Works only between Win 7 computers. This type of configuration makes it very easy to Entry Level Users to start Network sharing. Work Network = Basically similar to the previous methods of sharing that let you control what, how, and to whom folders would be shared with. Public Sharing = Public Network (like Internet cafe) to reduce security risks. The Work Network is the one that most of us are going (and need) to use. Win7 Work Network's Sharing settings are in principle similar to Vista's configuration, some menus locations in Win 7 might be in different place, and look a little different, but it should not be a problem to adapt. Make sure that the Software Firewall on each computer allows free local traffic. If you use 3rd party Firewall On, Vista/XP Native Firewall should be Off, and the active Firewall has to adjusted to your Network IP numbers on what is some time called the Trusted Zone (consult your 3rd Party Firewall instructions. General example, http://www.ezlan.net/faq#trusted Win 7 - http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows7/Networking-home-computers-running-different-versions-of-Windows Win7 Work Network with a little visual help), ,http://www.onecomputerguy.com/windows7/windows7_sharing.htm Vista File and Printer Sharing- http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb727037.aspx Windows XP File Sharing - http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;304040 Printer Sharing XP - http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/networking/expert/honeycutt_july2.mspx Windows Native Firewall setting for Sharing XP - http://support.microsoft.com/kb/875357 Windows XP patch for Sharing with Vista (Not need for XP-SP3) - http://support.microsoft.com/kb/922120 Sharing between PC and Mac - http://www.realifewebdesigns.com/web-resources/mac-pc-file-share.asp When finished with the setting of the system it is advisable to Reboot all the hardware including Router and all computers involved. Jack (MS, MVP-Networking). "Chad Harris" <Win7(a)yesshecan.net> wrote in message news:etvPYva7KHA.3964(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > My friend has a couple printers--a new Epson 800 All in One and an older > one. He has an I Mac and an Acer net book. The net book has Windows > Starter. He should be able to use Bonjour on the Mac for Windows (I > understand this is a MSFT newsgroup) to set up his network. > > He is not using a router. Windows Starter ( a good question is why) > apparently doesn't have homegroup functionality. I also know homegroup > when you have it won't work with a Vista or XP box . > > I tried to help him network his printer using the I Mac as an access point > and installing and configuring (simple wizard) Bonjour for Windows on his > Win 7 Starter netbook. I came up short, and we tried setting up the > printer both wirelessly and USB. In my experience a wireless printer > setup can be more fragile over the long hall than a USB setup (you may > have to reinstall the driver to get scanning functionlality). > > I ran the Bonjour wizard successfully. There is a home group > configuration on Starter, but it must be to use with another computer that > is one of the other versions that has actual homegroup functionality. > There is no actual sharing that will come up on Starter that I can see. > > I believe that if he had a router, I could get his wireless printer > running. We know that if he upgraded to one of the other versions of Win 7 > he could easily network the printer. > > Win 7 starter is recognizing his Epson printer, but the Homegroup dialogue > box on it isn'r recognizing his Mac and I'm sure it's not been designed to > do that. > > He gets an unhelpful message on the windows box that he does not have " > fullaccess" (it doesn't say permissions to the printer Just in case this > obliquely was referring to permissions I used the security tab of the > printer to gain full permissions for users on the printer. > > I can get print jobs in the que but no printing. My friend believes this > is because he doesn't have an *LPR port *available. I think he could get > a default Virtual USB port if he had a router. > > Windows 7 Ultimate will recognize my printers the second I setup Win 7, > but this is probably because it has Homegroup functionality. The only > reason I have to install my HP driver for Win 7 is that while it will > print from either of my printers out of the box, it won't scan without > the HP Win 7 driver (or I've made the Vista HP driver work on Win 7 for > the last two years before HP finally released Win 7 drivers). The port > that is set up for me out of the box is Virtual USB for both printers > even though one is wirelessly configured and that works. > > Can anyone shed some light on whether the router would get the job done > without his upgrading to one of the other versions of Win 7 besides > Starter that has homegroup functionality? > > TIA, > > CH
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