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From: Mikep on 16 Mar 2010 00:15 "Joseph M. Newcomer" <newcomer(a)flounder.com> wrote in message news:rqltp55unv5ttifhibs35udiqtob7t82vd(a)4ax.com... >I misunderstood the parity of the statement. > > I'm having a lot of trouble reading, this week, the consequence of a > cerebral incident > last Saturday. > joe > Hope it's nothing really serious - Us old guys worry. Like you, I grew up on IBM 1620's... just so you know where I fit in the old guy scheme. M > On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 19:56:04 -0400, Hector Santos > <sant9442(a)nospam.gmail.com> wrote: > >>Joseph M. Newcomer wrote: >> >>>> Look, no browser vendors what you to turn off javascript. In fact, >>>> GOOGLE CHROME was the first browser not to offer the user the option >>>> to even turn it off. This is the beginning for others to follow. >>> **** >>> This is simply not true, I was turning JavaVirus and ActiveVirus off >>> years ago in IE. >> >> >>Whats not true? There is no way to turn it off in Chrome, the first >>browser to do this. And in my strong opinion, others will follow or it >>will be made very difficult to turn off. I never said you could not >>turn it off in all other browsers. Chrome is the first that I am >>aware of where you can not. > Joseph M. Newcomer [MVP] > email: newcomer(a)flounder.com > Web: http://www.flounder.com > MVP Tips: http://www.flounder.com/mvp_tips.htm
From: Joseph M. Newcomer on 16 Mar 2010 13:53 I'm left with vision problems, reading and typing (at least proofreading my typing, which usually contains numerous errors) are challenging. No damage to my Acerbic Center, or any other important brain functions. joe On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 21:15:17 -0700, "Mikep" <mikep(a)NOSPAMturboware.com> wrote: > >"Joseph M. Newcomer" <newcomer(a)flounder.com> wrote in message >news:rqltp55unv5ttifhibs35udiqtob7t82vd(a)4ax.com... >>I misunderstood the parity of the statement. >> >> I'm having a lot of trouble reading, this week, the consequence of a >> cerebral incident >> last Saturday. >> joe >> > >Hope it's nothing really serious - Us old guys worry. Like you, I grew up on >IBM 1620's... just so you know where I fit in the old guy scheme. > >M > >> On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 19:56:04 -0400, Hector Santos >> <sant9442(a)nospam.gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>Joseph M. Newcomer wrote: >>> >>>>> Look, no browser vendors what you to turn off javascript. In fact, >>>>> GOOGLE CHROME was the first browser not to offer the user the option >>>>> to even turn it off. This is the beginning for others to follow. >>>> **** >>>> This is simply not true, I was turning JavaVirus and ActiveVirus off >>>> years ago in IE. >>> >>> >>>Whats not true? There is no way to turn it off in Chrome, the first >>>browser to do this. And in my strong opinion, others will follow or it >>>will be made very difficult to turn off. I never said you could not >>>turn it off in all other browsers. Chrome is the first that I am >>>aware of where you can not. >> Joseph M. Newcomer [MVP] >> email: newcomer(a)flounder.com >> Web: http://www.flounder.com >> MVP Tips: http://www.flounder.com/mvp_tips.htm > Joseph M. Newcomer [MVP] email: newcomer(a)flounder.com Web: http://www.flounder.com MVP Tips: http://www.flounder.com/mvp_tips.htm
From: Tom Serface on 16 Mar 2010 19:39 I think there is very little you can do in a browser without JavaScript. I'm glad to see them finally add an MFC forum. I agree that the newsgroups are easier for us techy types to negotiate, but the forums are the future so having MFC represented is a good thing. Tom "Hector Santos" <sant9442(a)nospam.gmail.com> wrote in message news:uhvPj9twKHA.1176(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > Giovanni Dicanio wrote: > >> Seems like there is a new MSDN VC++ Forum dedicated to MFC and ATL now: >> >> http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vcmfcatl/threads >> >> Giovanni > > It breaks down if javascript is disabled. :) > > -- > HLS
From: Tom Serface on 16 Mar 2010 19:41 How can viruses be transferred using JavaScript? Unless users download a client there is very little access to the client's machine. Java applets are a different animal of course and I wouldn't use them at all. Tom "Joseph M. Newcomer" <newcomer(a)flounder.com> wrote in message news:52mop5tsniijglmogablk804bsldj6qg2q(a)4ax.com... > This is because Microsoft makes a lot of noise about being concerned about > "computer > security" but essentially believe that if YOU care about it, well, screw > you, JavaVIrus > is essential for making Web sites *cool*, and nobody should make their > machines secure by > disabling this primary malware vector (I recently attended a conference on > computer > security, and what I learned about JavaVirus makes my most rabid rants > about it look > understated compared to the deadly reality! Sort of like my saying "death > can be a > seirous invonvenience in your life" or "end-stage rabies is really > uncomfortable") > joe > > > On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 14:00:05 -0500, Hector Santos > <sant9442(a)nospam.gmail.com> wrote: > >>Giovanni Dicanio wrote: >> >>> Seems like there is a new MSDN VC++ Forum dedicated to MFC and ATL now: >>> >>> http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vcmfcatl/threads >>> >>> Giovanni >> >>It breaks down if javascript is disabled. :) > Joseph M. Newcomer [MVP] > email: newcomer(a)flounder.com > Web: http://www.flounder.com > MVP Tips: http://www.flounder.com/mvp_tips.htm
From: Tom Serface on 16 Mar 2010 19:42
ActiveX is essentially client-side application code. It's way different than JavaScript. I'm not sure there are many sites you can use without JavaScript these days. Most of them use some sort of ASP, JSP, PHP, or some other "P" to generate HTML and that almost always translates into JavaScript. Tom "Hector Santos" <sant9442(a)nospam.gmail.com> wrote in message news:OR9sJAzwKHA.1984(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > Its really quite fasinating how the mindset has evolved regarding zero-day > discoveries: > > - OLD RULE: Turn off javascript > - NEW RULE: Read tons of documents > > The point, watch how they now handle IE exploits found. No longer will > you see anything in their notes that says: > > Turn off ActiveX > Turn off Javascript > > and at best I can tell, the reason is because turning it off BREAKS all > kinds of other stuff, including 3rd party or their own. > > I was amaze at the China/Google zero-day IE security bug where in NO WHERE > in the Microsoft security announcements did it says "Turn off Javascript" > and now the Chinese will not be able to exploit you. > > Look, no browser vendors what you to turn off javascript. In fact, GOOGLE > CHROME was the first browser not to offer the user the option to even turn > it off. This is the beginning for others to follow. > > Now web sites are taking the approach - NO JAVASCRIPT? GO AWAY! > > It took us nearly 7 years before we began to require Javascript for our > web server client templates. Our templates were WEB 1.0 mostly because > early browser didn't support JS and because of security, many users turned > it off. So WEB 1.0 was necessary. > > But as the industry grew, WEB 2.0 was the next stage. We began to add more > of it to our templates. Not 100% but as options to operators to use > special HTML clients, i.e. HTTP AUTHentication (BASIC/DIGEST) vs > Form-based COOKIE login. > > A few years ago, we added jQuery support, which MS now directly supports > as part of ASP. jQuery is distributed with our software and we use it > popup Message Previews. Our Chuck E Cheese customer who use our web > server for store support who still have low bandwidth told us the popup > message previews help speed things up. > > But now WEB 3.0 is upon is, and his a recycle of the client/server > framework where more of the client-ware is off-loaded. Flash, > SilverLight, Flex, etc, and now HTML5. > > Joe, the problem isn't really Javascript, the problem is well, good > engineering with the browser and an growing attitude that clients should > be doing more work and have access to the user's PC. So original the > client was sandboxed and the scripting did not an API to access PC data. > That's changing and there is no stopping this unfortunately. > > -- > HLS > > Joseph M. Newcomer wrote: > >> This is because Microsoft makes a lot of noise about being concerned >> about "computer >> security" but essentially believe that if YOU care about it, well, screw >> you, JavaVIrus >> is essential for making Web sites *cool*, and nobody should make their >> machines secure by >> disabling this primary malware vector (I recently attended a conference >> on computer >> security, and what I learned about JavaVirus makes my most rabid rants >> about it look >> understated compared to the deadly reality! Sort of like my saying >> "death can be a >> seirous invonvenience in your life" or "end-stage rabies is really >> uncomfortable") >> joe >> >> >> On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 14:00:05 -0500, Hector Santos >> <sant9442(a)nospam.gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Giovanni Dicanio wrote: >>> >>>> Seems like there is a new MSDN VC++ Forum dedicated to MFC and ATL now: >>>> >>>> http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vcmfcatl/threads >>>> >>>> Giovanni >>> It breaks down if javascript is disabled. :) >> Joseph M. Newcomer [MVP] >> email: newcomer(a)flounder.com >> Web: http://www.flounder.com >> MVP Tips: http://www.flounder.com/mvp_tips.htm > > > > -- > HLS |