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From: Skybuck Flying on 24 Jan 2010 05:20

"Maaartin" <grajcar1(a)seznam.cz> wrote in message
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On Jan 16, 9:18 am, "Skybuck Flying" <IntoTheFut...(a)hotmail.com>
wrote:
> "Tom St Denis" <t...(a)iahu.ca> wrote in
> messagenews:540a3338-ed33-4c28-9294-3848d371f391(a)22g2000yqr.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 14, 5:57 pm, "Skybuck Flying" <IntoTheFut...(a)hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Scott Fluhrer" <sfluh...(a)ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:1263490809.826884(a)sj-nntpcache-3.cisco.com...
>
> > > "Skybuck Flying" <IntoTheFut...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > >news:2f9f0$4b4bdba8$d53371df$27232(a)cache2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl...
>
> > >> "Maaartin" <grajc...(a)seznam.cz> wrote in message
> > >>news:6e68d860-0651-4ee8-b2d0-54800de62eca(a)34g2000yqp.googlegroups.com...
> > >> On Jan 5, 6:20 pm, "Skybuck Flying" <IntoTheFut...(a)hotmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
>
> > >>> That is ofcourse total bullshit... if it's not total bullshit than
> > >>> AES
> > >>> is a
> > >>> very weak cipher ! ;)
>
> > >> "
> > >> Obviously, you're missing something. The attack is not specific to
> > >> AES, it works the same way for any block cipher.
> > >> "
>
> > >> I doubt it... but you welcome to prove it ! ;) :)
>
> > > If you understood the attack, you would see that not only would it
> > > apply
> > > to any block cipher, it would also apply even if the attacker had no
> > > clue
> > > about what block cipher was being used (he only needs to know/guess
> > > the
> > > block size).
>
> > If it's that simple then surely you or anybody else can supply some
> > pseudo
> > code or god forbid some real code ? ;)
>
> > Otherwise it shall remain in the land of the fairytales ;) :)
>
> "
> Work it out yourself?
>
> Seriously, Scott doesn't work for you.
>
> Tom
> "
>
> Well I say: I doesn't work in the first place, so what am I supposed to
> work
> out... ?
>
> I could test out a "non working idea"... but I rather do it vice versa !
> ;)
>
> So you or anybody else prove to me that it works... and then I will
> happily
> verify that work ! ;) (by programming and testing it myself ;))
>
> Bye,
> Skybuck.

"
But it is you, who wants/should learn something. When Tom St Denis and
"

Denis said no such thing.

"
Joseph Ashwood (I don't remember Scott Fluhrer's postings, so I can't
"

I dealt with him, he didn't deal with my questions.

"
name him here) say it works, you can be pretty sure it does. You
should learn to tell people knowing more than you (about crypto) from
the others and learn from the former. I don't think they need to work
hard to convice you that it works, 'cause there're sure it does (and
'cause they get nothing for it).

Actually, even I can see it works. Sure, it doesn't mean you can read
TLS/SSL ciphertext like a book, but it definitely is an attack. Try to
read it again or try to find an error there.
"

Anybody can claim something works on usenet, doesn't cut you any slack.

No proof then no pudding ! ;) :)

Bye,
Skybuck =D


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