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From: Patrick Mast on 22 Aug 2007 09:18 Dear Visual Objects friend, Well ... I though, why not also send this message to our 'xBase language' friends at the Visual Objects newsgroup? We ALL have the very same mother programming language, and we all want to keep our beloved xBase language so much alive, no? ;-) [ For those who take offence in this message, my sincerely apologies. I come as a friend. ] So, here it goes: xHarbour.com is proud to announce the availability of a new and enhanced demo version of xHarbour Builder for Windows and/or Linux. For the ones who are new to xHarbour; The xHarbour programming language ( http://www.xHarbour.org ) is a superset of the well known xBase language, often referred to as Clipper. xHarbour is 100% backward compatible with the Clipper Language, yet it adds many modern features and tools comparable to today's leading compilers. xHarbour Builder, xHarbour.com's ( http://www.xHarbour.com ) commercial distribution of the xHarbour compiler adds features to the xHarbour compiler like Visual xHarbour (IDE), SQLRDD, xBuild Project Wizard, ActiveX, OLE, RMDBFCDX ( Comix / Clipmore compatible super fast filters), and many more. Lately, we had thousands of xHarbour Builder demo downloads on xHarbour.com, together with tons of feedback, and it's been encouraging, insightful, and helpful. Reviewing all those comments, we took a closer look at the demo version of xHarbour Builder and magically ... found some room for improvements! ;-) For the Windows edition, we added latest version of Visual xHarbour to the demo installer so you don't need to download Visual xHarbour separately. Everything you need for Visual xHarbour is included in the demo. Samples, the Visual xHarbour IDE, and more... Yes, "MORE"... ;-) We also added our first draft of the Visual xHarbour Getting Started manual. Many users asked us to provide some documentation on Visual xHarbour, even if it wasn't finished. Well, here it is, not finished, but it's a start. This is also your chance to give us feedback on these doc's now while we're still working on them! ;-) See http://www.xHarbour.com/VisualxHarbour for more info on Visual xHarbour Next, by popular demand, we included the command version of xBuilder namely xBuild.exe. The GUI version is also still included. See http://www.xHarbour.com/xBuild for more info on xBuilder. For the Windows and Linux installer, a new fixed and updated version of the Visual xDebugger has also been added. See http://www.xHarbour.com/VisualxDebugger for more info on Visual xDebugger. Now ... What about documentation on the xHarbour language itself in the demo version? Well, it's obvious that, when a user downloads a demo version of a programming language, he/she needs some documentation on the language itself, no? Exactly, just what we thought! So, we included the full version of the xHarbour Language Reference Guide in the demo installer (the .CHM edition for the Windows installer, and the .PDF edition for the Linux installer). This makes the demo version of xHarbour Builder so much more complete! Don't you think? BTW, a online version of the xHarbour Language Reference Guide can be found here: http://www.xHarbour.com/xHDN Now, who would be better to comment on the all of this new stuff than YOU? Please take the time to download the xHarbour Builder demo now and let us know what you think. What can be be improved? How smooth was the installation? What about the documentation? Etc. The more feedback, the better demo we can build it next time for you guys! To make it super easy for you, here is a direct link to the new demo: http://www.xHarbour.com/Demo Thank you so much in advance for your feedback. And from all of us at xHarbour.com, thank you for listening. -- Sincerely, Patrick Mast, xHarbour.com Inc. http://www.xHarbour.com
From: Marc Verkade [Marti IT] on 22 Aug 2007 14:37 Thanx for keeping us posted. Nice website! -- Grtz, Marc "Patrick Mast" <Patrick.RemoveThis.Mast(a)xHarbour.com> schreef in bericht news:2007082215184050073-PatrickRemoveThisMast(a)xHarbourcom... > Dear Visual Objects friend, > > Well ... I though, why not also send this message to our 'xBase language' > friends at the Visual Objects newsgroup? We ALL have the very same mother > programming language, and we all want to keep our beloved xBase language > so much alive, no? ;-) > > [ For those who take offence in this message, my sincerely apologies. I > come as a friend. ] > > So, here it goes: > > xHarbour.com is proud to announce the availability of a new and enhanced > demo version of xHarbour Builder for Windows and/or Linux. > > For the ones who are new to xHarbour; The xHarbour programming language > ( http://www.xHarbour.org ) is a superset of the well known xBase > language, often referred to as Clipper. xHarbour is 100% backward > compatible with the Clipper Language, yet it adds many modern features and > tools comparable to today's leading compilers. xHarbour Builder, > xHarbour.com's ( http://www.xHarbour.com ) commercial distribution of the > xHarbour compiler adds features to the xHarbour compiler like Visual > xHarbour (IDE), SQLRDD, xBuild Project Wizard, ActiveX, OLE, RMDBFCDX ( > Comix / Clipmore compatible super fast filters), and many more. > > Lately, we had thousands of xHarbour Builder demo downloads on > xHarbour.com, together with tons of feedback, and it's been encouraging, > insightful, and helpful. Reviewing all those comments, we took a closer > look at the demo version of xHarbour Builder and magically ... found some > room for improvements! ;-) > > For the Windows edition, we added latest version of Visual xHarbour to the > demo installer so you don't need to download Visual xHarbour separately. > Everything you need for Visual xHarbour is included in the demo. Samples, > the Visual xHarbour IDE, and more... Yes, "MORE"... ;-) We also added our > first draft of the Visual xHarbour Getting Started manual. Many users > asked us to provide some documentation on Visual xHarbour, even if it > wasn't finished. Well, here it is, not finished, but it's a start. This is > also your chance to give us feedback on these doc's now while we're still > working on them! ;-) > See http://www.xHarbour.com/VisualxHarbour for more info on Visual > xHarbour > > Next, by popular demand, we included the command version of xBuilder > namely xBuild.exe. The GUI version is also still included. > See http://www.xHarbour.com/xBuild for more info on xBuilder. > > For the Windows and Linux installer, a new fixed and updated version of > the Visual xDebugger has also been added. > See http://www.xHarbour.com/VisualxDebugger for more info on Visual > xDebugger. > > Now ... What about documentation on the xHarbour language itself in the > demo version? Well, it's obvious that, when a user downloads a demo > version of a programming language, he/she needs some documentation on the > language itself, no? Exactly, just what we thought! So, we included the > full version of the xHarbour Language Reference Guide in the demo > installer (the .CHM edition for the Windows installer, and the .PDF > edition for the Linux installer). > > This makes the demo version of xHarbour Builder so much more complete! > Don't you think? > > BTW, a online version of the xHarbour Language Reference Guide can be > found here: > http://www.xHarbour.com/xHDN > > Now, who would be better to comment on the all of this new stuff than YOU? > Please take the time to download the xHarbour Builder demo now and let us > know what you think. What can be be improved? How smooth was the > installation? What about the documentation? Etc. The more feedback, the > better demo we can build it next time for you guys! To make it super easy > for you, here is a direct link to the new demo: > http://www.xHarbour.com/Demo > > Thank you so much in advance for your feedback. > > And from all of us at xHarbour.com, thank you for listening. > > -- > Sincerely, > > Patrick Mast, > xHarbour.com Inc. > http://www.xHarbour.com >
From: Patrick Mast on 22 Aug 2007 16:46 Hey Marc, > Thanx for keeping us posted. Thanks for letting me keep you posted :) > Nice website! Thank you. -- Sincerely, Patrick Mast, xHarbour.com Inc. http://www.xHarbour.com
From: Geoff Schaller on 22 Aug 2007 17:28 Patrick, I'm not sure why you would feel that anyone should take offence unless you were feeling a little insecure about your approach <g>. However I don't think you really have an audience here. And I am not saying that to offend you but more to warn you that your reception here would be cool. Why? Well three reasons. The first is easy. Coding language is like a religion to most. Once you have evolved your expertise in it (and probably got some commercial leverage with it), you defend it to death until you need to move on or forward. VO is like that and engenders serious loyalty amongst its adherents and given that Harbour simply cannot deliver anything that VO doesn't, why would a VO'er contemplate it? The second reason is just as obvious. VO already handles DBF as well as any DBF based development tool but I would politely suggest that its IDE, connection with SCC and its user base is a little more commercially mature than harbour. There really is no compelling reason to switch. VO also handles SQL as well as most other equivalent tools and SQL is where most development is heading. ...isn't it? But finally, the cruncher is this: VO is moving on into Dot Net in the form of Vulcan and also offers the technically mature option of going SQL. Perpetuating a product based on the ability to perpetuate an antiquated storage mechanism like DBF is just counter intuitive and counter productive. I think you should take a close look at SQL in general and perhaps VO specifically because you might find that this is a better way to go. Cheers, Geoff
From: Colin Haig on 23 Aug 2007 02:41 Perhaps you should check your facts about xHarbour and SQL Colin "Geoff Schaller" <geoff_(a)software_objectives.com.au> wrote in message news:46ccaac8$1(a)dnews.tpgi.com.au... > Patrick, > > I'm not sure why you would feel that anyone should take offence unless you > were feeling a little insecure about your approach <g>. However I don't > think you really have an audience here. And I am not saying that to offend > you but more to warn you that your reception here would be cool. > > Why? Well three reasons. The first is easy. Coding language is like a > religion to most. Once you have evolved your expertise in it (and probably > got some commercial leverage with it), you defend it to death until you > need to move on or forward. VO is like that and engenders serious loyalty > amongst its adherents and given that Harbour simply cannot deliver > anything that VO doesn't, why would a VO'er contemplate it? > > The second reason is just as obvious. VO already handles DBF as well as > any DBF based development tool but I would politely suggest that its IDE, > connection with SCC and its user base is a little more commercially mature > than harbour. There really is no compelling reason to switch. VO also > handles SQL as well as most other equivalent tools and SQL is where most > development is heading. ...isn't it? > > But finally, the cruncher is this: VO is moving on into Dot Net in the > form of Vulcan and also offers the technically mature option of going SQL. > Perpetuating a product based on the ability to perpetuate an antiquated > storage mechanism like DBF is just counter intuitive and counter > productive. I think you should take a close look at SQL in general and > perhaps VO specifically because you might find that this is a better way > to go. > > Cheers, > > Geoff >
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