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From: John A. on 25 Jan 2010 16:19 On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 12:14:40 -0800 (PST), DanP <dan.petre(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >On Jan 25, 7:58�pm, John A. <j...(a)nowhere.invalid> wrote: >> On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:53:22 -0800 (PST), RichA <rander3...(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >Some examples: >> >D3x - Too expensive >> >A805/900 - Too much noise. >> >D3s/700 - Not enough resolution for the cost >> >D300s - Sensor out of date compared to competition >> >D90 - Close to the perfect DSLR (when everything is considered) but no >> >weatherproofing at all, plastic body. >> >7D - Canon's lame weatherproofing, no good wide angle lenses, or none >> >that are comparable with the competition. >> >1D's (any of them) - Too many problems for their cost. >> >5DMkII - Mediocre for video (IF this matters to anyone), questionable >> >build quality for the price. >> >Panasonic micro 4/3rds - No pro/semipro bodies, too much noise, too >> >expensive >> >Olympus 4/3rds - Outdated, lame sensors, lagging behind the micro >> >4/3rds units. �Each release is a slap-dash updating of the previous, >> >no new pro camera in ages. >> >Pentax K's- Noisy sensors, lousy AF. >> >A300's/500's - Sony efforts that coat-tail on the big two, with less >> >success. >> >> >Entry level DSLRs - Poor control features, crappy builds, crummy >> >ergonomics, poor viewfinders (most of them) poor compatibility with >> >legacy stuff. >> >> >So, the perfect DSLR isn't here. �But it COULD be. �How? >> >- �5DMkII resolution, FF. >> >- �Body quality (notice I didn't say size?) of a D700. >> >- �Shutter rate of a D300s. �Reliability rating of the D3 shutter. >> >- �Size of a D90 with a grip. >> >- �Noise control of a D3s/700. >> >- �Weight of a 7D. �Greater weight allowance versus size for a METAL, >> >weather sealed body. >> >- �Video of the Panasonic GH1 >> >- �Nikon's pro AF system >> >- Sony or Panasonic's Live View. >> >- Highest quality optical viewfinder, for now. >> >> >All that, for about $2500 would be IMO, the ideal all-round DSLR. >> >> Whose control layout? Or would it have moveable components DX1-style? > >Forget it, it ain't gonna happen. Just buy an existing camera for >$2500. Oh, I know. Just playin'. :)
From: RichA on 25 Jan 2010 17:59 On Jan 25, 2:58 pm, John A. <j...(a)nowhere.invalid> wrote: > On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:53:22 -0800 (PST), RichA <rander3...(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > >Some examples: > >D3x - Too expensive > >A805/900 - Too much noise. > >D3s/700 - Not enough resolution for the cost > >D300s - Sensor out of date compared to competition > >D90 - Close to the perfect DSLR (when everything is considered) but no > >weatherproofing at all, plastic body. > >7D - Canon's lame weatherproofing, no good wide angle lenses, or none > >that are comparable with the competition. > >1D's (any of them) - Too many problems for their cost. > >5DMkII - Mediocre for video (IF this matters to anyone), questionable > >build quality for the price. > >Panasonic micro 4/3rds - No pro/semipro bodies, too much noise, too > >expensive > >Olympus 4/3rds - Outdated, lame sensors, lagging behind the micro > >4/3rds units. Each release is a slap-dash updating of the previous, > >no new pro camera in ages. > >Pentax K's- Noisy sensors, lousy AF. > >A300's/500's - Sony efforts that coat-tail on the big two, with less > >success. > > >Entry level DSLRs - Poor control features, crappy builds, crummy > >ergonomics, poor viewfinders (most of them) poor compatibility with > >legacy stuff. > > >So, the perfect DSLR isn't here. But it COULD be. How? > >- 5DMkII resolution, FF. > >- Body quality (notice I didn't say size?) of a D700. > >- Shutter rate of a D300s. Reliability rating of the D3 shutter. > >- Size of a D90 with a grip. > >- Noise control of a D3s/700. > >- Weight of a 7D. Greater weight allowance versus size for a METAL, > >weather sealed body. > >- Video of the Panasonic GH1 > >- Nikon's pro AF system > >- Sony or Panasonic's Live View. > >- Highest quality optical viewfinder, for now. > > >All that, for about $2500 would be IMO, the ideal all-round DSLR. > > Whose control layout? Or would it have moveable components DX1-style? For cost-saving, the D300 has a good control layout, or, completely programmable buttons and wheels customizable to the particular user.
From: Chris Malcolm on 25 Jan 2010 18:59 In rec.photo.digital RichA <rander3127(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Some examples: > D3x - Too expensive > A805/900 - Too much noise. > D3s/700 - Not enough resolution for the cost > D300s - Sensor out of date compared to competition > D90 - Close to the perfect DSLR (when everything is considered) but no > weatherproofing at all, plastic body. > 7D - Canon's lame weatherproofing, no good wide angle lenses, or none > that are comparable with the competition. > 1D's (any of them) - Too many problems for their cost. > 5DMkII - Mediocre for video (IF this matters to anyone), questionable > build quality for the price. > Panasonic micro 4/3rds - No pro/semipro bodies, too much noise, too > expensive > Olympus 4/3rds - Outdated, lame sensors, lagging behind the micro > 4/3rds units. Each release is a slap-dash updating of the previous, > no new pro camera in ages. > Pentax K's- Noisy sensors, lousy AF. > A300's/500's - Sony efforts that coat-tail on the big two, with less > success. > Entry level DSLRs - Poor control features, crappy builds, crummy > ergonomics, poor viewfinders (most of them) poor compatibility with > legacy stuff. > So, the perfect DSLR isn't here. But it COULD be. How? > - 5DMkII resolution, FF. > - Body quality (notice I didn't say size?) of a D700. > - Shutter rate of a D300s. Reliability rating of the D3 shutter. > - Size of a D90 with a grip. > - Noise control of a D3s/700. > - Weight of a 7D. Greater weight allowance versus size for a METAL, > weather sealed body. > - Video of the Panasonic GH1 > - Nikon's pro AF system > - Sony or Panasonic's Live View. > - Highest quality optical viewfinder, for now. > All that, for about $2500 would be IMO, the ideal all-round DSLR. For a year or possibly two. -- Chris Malcolm
From: N on 25 Jan 2010 19:14 "RichA" <rander3127(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:28bc8bd0-7b32-4b41-8d6f-ec13e786cc6b(a)u41g2000yqe.googlegroups.com... > > For cost-saving, the D300 has a good control layout, or, completely > programmable buttons and wheels customizable to the particular user. If all the buttons are customisable, none of them would have labels. Wouldn't that be fun.
From: N on 25 Jan 2010 22:32 "John A." <john(a)nowhere.invalid> wrote in message news:hddsl5l9b6dm1himv9o6hogqeqdvkbasa9(a)4ax.com... > On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 11:14:52 +1100, "N" <N(a)onyx.com> wrote: > >> >>"RichA" <rander3127(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >>news:28bc8bd0-7b32-4b41-8d6f-ec13e786cc6b(a)u41g2000yqe.googlegroups.com... >>> >>> For cost-saving, the D300 has a good control layout, or, completely >>> programmable buttons and wheels customizable to the particular user. >> >>If all the buttons are customisable, none of them would have labels. >>Wouldn't that be fun. > > Peel-n-stick! > > Or maybe they'd have embedded OLEDs like Optimus keyboards. Or > electronic ink like e-book readers. :) LOL like Christmas lights. :-)
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