No mass (The only one) No real physics!!
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From: PD on 1 Jul 2010 14:08 On Jul 1, 12:30 pm, "hanson" <han...(a)quick.net> wrote: > Angry & Discombobulated Paul Draper "PD" wrote:> "hanson" <han...(a)quick.net> wrote: > >> Paul Draper "PD" <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> > > the Establishment parrot of and for physics,. wrote:>> > "Yehiel.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com>, the Israeli > > Advocate for Advanced Physics Understanding, wrote: > > Porat wrote: > > The analysis of the Photon Momentum > shows us clearly that > No mass (the only one) - no real physics !! > ie the mass of the photon (in Kilograms !) > is neither zero -- nor relativistic !! > the dimension less figures associated there > to the M K S dimensions -- > show it clearly and unequivocally > (if you donr mind > the KILOGRAM dimension is just one > basic dimension > there is no Kg 1 Kg 2 etc -just one kilogram !! > (with just one meaning and interpretation of it- > no many interpretations for it !!) > > that should be a beginning of some revolution > in modern physics for instance no more 'massless > particles evennot for a fraction of a second !! > IOW that one mass is conserved1 exsctly > as in marcocosm and as Energy is conserved > > E=m c^2 and > Momentum of Photon is hf/c etc etc > as i analyzed it in a previous thread > > ps > not for parrots (that will come right on (:-) > copyright Yehiel Porat June 2010 > ( just now - the main point for me is that it will be > formally recorded ... No thefts later (:-).) > ATB -- Y.Porat > > Paul Draper, the parrot & Einstein Dingleberry wrote: > Once again, Porat has repeated two basic delusions: > 1. That classical mass (kilograms) and relativistic mass (kilograms) > can be somehow distinguished by their units. > 2. That the units of a property of an entity tell you that the entity > has a nonzero value of that unit. For example, the permittivity of a > region of completely empty space has units that includes coulombs. > Thus, according to Porat, any region of completely empty space > nevertheless has nonzero electric charge. > Funny, no? --- PD > > hanson wrote: > > ... ahahahaha... but you are hand-waving and weaseling > to/for & at Porat, and what is even funnier, Paul, is that > YOU are not able to explain away the DIMENSION of > mass in the (definition of the) momentum of the photon, > which is the essential beef that Porat is harping about... > Thanks for the laughs though, guys... ahahahanson > > Angry & Discombobulated Paul Draper "PD" wrote: > I see you have the same problem, ahahahahanson. > The permittivity of empty space is a number that has DIMENSIONS > electric charge. It is necessary in your mind to explain why this does > not mean that empty space has electric charge? Are you as much a > bonehead as Porat is? > > hanson wrote: > > ... ahahahaha... Paul, Porat is not talking about empty space > nor about permittivity in his tripe above... Nobody but you, Paul, > is bringing up permittivity, because YOU are not able to explain > away the DIMENSION of mass in the (definition of the) momentum > of the photon, which is the essential beef that Porat is harping about... No, he's not talking about empty space and either are you. So, as I understand it, having empty space with a property involving units of charge and yet empty space being devoid of charge is not a problem at all, according to you, but light having a property involving units of mass and yet light being devoid of mass is a HUGE PROBLEM THAT MUST BE EXPLAINED!!!!! Aha. Perhaps it's better if we just don't talk about the empty space business because it ISN'T THE HUGE PROBLEM WITH LIGHT THAT MUST BE EXPLAINED!!!!! > Show Porat how to get rid of the mass dimension in the definition > of the photon's momentum... Why would you feel the need to get rid of it? Empty space doesn't have charge either. Why would you have to get rid of the charge in the definition of the empty space's permittivity? > and you'll be great man in physics. > Thanks for the laughs, Paul, ... AHAHAHAHA....ahahahanson You see, it's much better when you just stick to maniacal giggling and avoid trying to actually say something about physics.
From: Y.Porat on 1 Jul 2010 14:43 On Jul 1, 7:30 pm, "hanson" <han...(a)quick.net> wrote: > Angry & Discombobulated Paul Draper "PD" wrote:> "hanson" <han...(a)quick.net> wrote: > >> Paul Draper "PD" <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> > > the Establishment parrot of and for physics,. wrote:>> > "Yehiel.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com>, the Israeli > > Advocate for Advanced Physics Understanding, wrote: > > Porat wrote: > > The analysis of the Photon Momentum > shows us clearly that > No mass (the only one) - no real physics !! > ie the mass of the photon (in Kilograms !) > is neither zero -- nor relativistic !! > the dimension less figures associated there > to the M K S dimensions -- > show it clearly and unequivocally > (if you donr mind > the KILOGRAM dimension is just one > basic dimension > there is no Kg 1 Kg 2 etc -just one kilogram !! > (with just one meaning and interpretation of it- > no many interpretations for it !!) > > that should be a beginning of some revolution > in modern physics for instance no more 'massless > particles evennot for a fraction of a second !! > IOW that one mass is conserved1 exsctly > as in marcocosm and as Energy is conserved > > E=m c^2 and > Momentum of Photon is hf/c etc etc > as i analyzed it in a previous thread > > ps > not for parrots (that will come right on (:-) > copyright Yehiel Porat June 2010 > ( just now - the main point for me is that it will be > formally recorded ... No thefts later (:-).) > ATB -- Y.Porat > > Paul Draper, the parrot & Einstein Dingleberry wrote: > Once again, Porat has repeated two basic delusions: > 1. That classical mass (kilograms) and relativistic mass (kilograms) > can be somehow distinguished by their units. > 2. That the units of a property of an entity tell you that the entity > has a nonzero value of that unit. For example, the permittivity of a > region of completely empty space has units that includes coulombs. > Thus, according to Porat, any region of completely empty space > nevertheless has nonzero electric charge. > Funny, no? --- PD > > hanson wrote: > > ... ahahahaha... but you are hand-waving and weaseling > to/for & at Porat, and what is even funnier, Paul, is that > YOU are not able to explain away the DIMENSION of > mass in the (definition of the) momentum of the photon, > which is the essential beef that Porat is harping about... > Thanks for the laughs though, guys... ahahahanson > > Angry & Discombobulated Paul Draper "PD" wrote: > I see you have the same problem, ahahahahanson. > The permittivity of empty space is a number that has DIMENSIONS > electric charge. It is necessary in your mind to explain why this does > not mean that empty space has electric charge? Are you as much a > bonehead as Porat is? > > hanson wrote: > > ... ahahahaha... Paul, Porat is not talking about empty space > nor about permittivity in his tripe above... Nobody but you, Paul, > is bringing up permittivity, because YOU are not able to explain > away the DIMENSION of mass in the (definition of the) momentum > of the photon, which is the essential beef that Porat is harping about... > Show Porat how to get rid of the mass dimension in the definition > of the photon's momentum... and you'll be great man in physics. > Thanks for the laughs, Paul, ... AHAHAHAHA....ahahahanson ------------------ Thank you Hanson btw i read your curent answer to PD **only **after** i responded him* so we wrote nearly the same arguments without any coordination between us !! you know why ?? because NO ONE CAN CHEST EVERY BODY FOREVER !! NOR CAN PD DO SO IT even if that environment was composed even of semi intelligent people which is **not **our case here for most of the readers !! ATB Y.Porat -------------------
From: Y.Porat on 1 Jul 2010 14:52 On Jul 1, 7:19 pm, Uncle Ben <b...(a)greenba.com> wrote: > On Jul 1, 12:51 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > The analysis of the Photon Momentum > > shows us clearly that > > No mass (the only one) - no real physics !! > > ie > > the mass of the photon (in Kilograms !) is neither zero -- nor > > relativistic !! > > the dimension less figures associated there > > to the M K S dimensions -- > > show it clearly and unequivocally > > (if you donr mind > > the KILOGRAM dimension is just one > > basic dimension > > there is no Kg 1 Kg 2 etc -just one kilogram !! > > (with just one meaning and interpretation of it- > > no many interpretations for it !!) > > > that should be a beginning of some revolution > > in modern physics > > for instance > > no more 'massless particles evennot for a fraction of a second !! > > IOW > > that one mass is conserved1 > > exsctly as in marcocosm and as > > Energy is conserved > > > E=m c^2 > > and > > Momentum of Photon is hf/c etc etc > > as i analyzed it in a previous thread > > > ps > > not for parrots > > (that will come right on (:-) > > copyright > > Yehiel Porat June 2010 > > ( just now - the main point for me is that it will be > > formally recorded ... No thefts later (:-).) > > ATB > > Y.Porat > > ---------------------- > > That is a new use for dimensional analysis! Let's try it out: c is in > m/sec in vacuum. Therefore there are mater sticks and clocks of an > invisible kind in a vacuum, since light can traverse a vacuum. Let's > get a research grant to look for them! > > Uncle Ben ---------------- another genius around the table didyou ever hread that no mass the only one no real physics??!! so listen genius : if there is just Meter and Second and no mass what are the tools that you will use TO MEASURE ANYTHING ???!!! massless tools ??? just start to be a physicist and not just a fucken mathematician snd only them you might learn something new about physics !! keep well Y.P -----------
From: BURT on 1 Jul 2010 14:54 On Jul 1, 11:52 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jul 1, 7:19 pm, Uncle Ben <b...(a)greenba.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 1, 12:51 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > The analysis of the Photon Momentum > > > shows us clearly that > > > No mass (the only one) - no real physics !! > > > ie > > > the mass of the photon (in Kilograms !) is neither zero -- nor > > > relativistic !! > > > the dimension less figures associated there > > > to the M K S dimensions -- > > > show it clearly and unequivocally > > > (if you donr mind > > > the KILOGRAM dimension is just one > > > basic dimension > > > there is no Kg 1 Kg 2 etc -just one kilogram !! > > > (with just one meaning and interpretation of it- > > > no many interpretations for it !!) > > > > that should be a beginning of some revolution > > > in modern physics > > > for instance > > > no more 'massless particles evennot for a fraction of a second !! > > > IOW > > > that one mass is conserved1 > > > exsctly as in marcocosm and as > > > Energy is conserved > > > > E=m c^2 > > > and > > > Momentum of Photon is hf/c etc etc > > > as i analyzed it in a previous thread > > > > ps > > > not for parrots > > > (that will come right on (:-) > > > copyright > > > Yehiel Porat June 2010 > > > ( just now - the main point for me is that it will be > > > formally recorded ... No thefts later (:-).) > > > ATB > > > Y.Porat > > > ---------------------- > > > That is a new use for dimensional analysis! Let's try it out: c is in > > m/sec in vacuum. Therefore there are mater sticks and clocks of an > > invisible kind in a vacuum, since light can traverse a vacuum. Let's > > get a research grant to look for them! > > > Uncle Ben > > ---------------- > another genius around the table > didyou ever hread that > > no mass the only one no real physics??!! > > so listen genius : > > if there is just Meter and Second and no mass > what are the tools that you will use > TO MEASURE ANYTHING ???!!! > massless tools ??? > > just start to be a physicist > and not just a fucken mathematician > snd only them you might learn something new about physics !! > keep well > > Y.P > ------------ Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Mass is for weight. There are some forms of energy that are massless. Those forms are unconcentrated energy for light and atomic bond forces. Mitch Raemsch
From: Y.Porat on 1 Jul 2010 14:58 On Jul 1, 7:05 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jul 1, 12:00 pm, "hanson" <han...(a)quick.net> wrote: > > > > > ... ahahahaha... but you are hand-waving and weaseling > > to/for & at Porat, and what is even funnier, Paul, is that > > YOU are not able to explain away the DIMENSION of > > mass in the (definition of the) momentum of the photon, > > which is the essential beef that Porat is harping about... > > Thanks for the laughs though, guys... ahahahanson > > I see you have the same problem, ahahahahanson. > > The permittivity of empty space is a number that has DIMENSIONS > electric charge. It is necessary in your mind to explain why this does > not mean that empty space has electric charge? Are you as much a > bonehead as Porat is? -------------- idot how do you discover the properties of permittivity !!! you are less intelligent than the little i assumed about you Y.P --------------------
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