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From: Aatu Koskensilta on 11 May 2010 09:09
dlzc <dlzc1(a)cox.net> writes:

> On May 10, 10:08�am, Robert Clark <rgregorycl...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>> The take over by Google of the Usenet archive was first seen as a
>> godsend. However, its horrendous search function on past and current
>> Usenet posts has lead many Usenet readers to wish Google would just
>> give up the job to someone who actually wants to do it.
>
> It works fine from their "Advanced Search" dialog screen.
> http://groups.google.com/groups/advanced_search?sitesearch=groups.google.com

No it doesn't.

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Aatu Koskensilta (aatu.koskensilta(a)uta.fi)

"Wovon man nicht sprechan kann, dar�ber muss man schweigen"
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From: Martin Brown on 11 May 2010 09:21
Robert Clark wrote:
> On May 11, 3:11 am, Martin Brown <|||newspam...(a)nezumi.demon.co.uk>
> wrote:
> ...
>> And under some circumstances - I think on the first search in a session
>> where no results are returned the date range is reset to current.
>>
>> I have not seen it fail on modern posts by keyword at all.
>> I blame user error.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Martin Brown
>
> Do the search yourself:
>
> http://groups.google.com/groups/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=bimese&btnG=Search&as_mind=1&as_minm=1&as_miny=2010&as_maxd=11&as_maxm=5&as_maxy=2010&as_drrb=b&sitesearch=groups.google.com

I get
http://groups.google.com/groups/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=bimese&btnG=Search&as_mind=1&as_minm=5&as_miny=2010&as_maxd=11&as_maxm=5&as_maxy=2010&as_drrb=b&sitesearch=

And that works OK - it seems your version generates invalid search
syntax. Shows a couple of recent posts. Looks to me like user error.
That part works OK for me in the UK

http://groups.google.co.uk/groups/search?hl=en&q=bimese&qt_s=Search+Groups
http://groups.google.com/groups/search?hl=en&q=bimese&qt_s=Search+Groups

Regards,
Martin Brown
From: Robert Clark on 11 May 2010 09:47
On May 11, 9:21 am, Martin Brown <|||newspam...(a)nezumi.demon.co.uk>
wrote:
> Robert Clark wrote:
> > On May 11, 3:11 am, Martin Brown <|||newspam...(a)nezumi.demon.co.uk>
> > wrote:
> > ...
> >> I have not seen it fail on modern posts by keyword at all.
> >> I blame user error.
>
> >> Regards,
> >> Martin Brown
>
> >  Do the search yourself:
>
> >http://groups.google.com/groups/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=bimese&btnG=S...
>
> I get
http://groups.google.com/groups/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=bimese&btnG=S...
>
> And that works OK - it seems your version generates invalid search
> syntax. Shows a couple of recent posts. Looks to me like user error.
> That part works OK for me in the UK
>
> http://groups.google.co.uk/groups/search?hl=en&q=bimese&qt_s=Search+G...http://groups.google.com/groups/search?hl=en&q=bimese&qt_s=Search+Groups
>
> Regards,
> Martin Brown

No, I was specifically searching for *Usenet* posts. The posts you
pull up with that first link you gave are for separate forums outside
of Usenet groups. They would have been pulled up as well just by
Google's usual web search function. Note as well even on that first
link you gave, if you specify to only search Usenet groups, you get no
results.
In the second and third links you gave for the UK version, note you
left out the date restriction and it pulls up older posts. It still
leaves out the posts from this year. Even with this version, if you
restrict to this year it gets no results.
Another bug is that if you select the sort by date option it always
pulls up fewer results than the sort by relevance option. This is so
bad that in some cases you can get dozens of results on the sort by
relevance option and NO results when you select sort by date.


Bob Clark
From: Androcles on 11 May 2010 10:00

On May 11, 9:21 am, Martin Brown <|||newspam...(a)nezumi.demon.co.uk>
wrote:
> Robert Clark wrote:
> > On May 11, 3:11 am, Martin Brown <|||newspam...(a)nezumi.demon.co.uk>
> > wrote:
> > ...
> >> I have not seen it fail on modern posts by keyword at all.
> >> I blame user error.
>
> >> Regards,
> >> Martin Brown
>
> > Do the search yourself:
>
> >http://groups.google.com/groups/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=bimese&btnG=S...
>
> I get
http://groups.google.com/groups/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=bimese&btnG=S...

and that fails. Looks to me like programmer error, truncation of URL.
Google have a bad apple in the barrel that needs firing before he/she does
some serious damage.


From: dlzc on 11 May 2010 11:24
Hello Androcles:

On May 11, 7:00 am, "Androcles" <Headmas...(a)Hogwarts.physics_z> wrote:
> On May 11, 9:21 am, Martin Brown <|||newspam...(a)nezumi.demon.co.uk>
> wrote:> Robert Clark wrote:
> > > On May 11, 3:11 am, Martin Brown <|||newspam...(a)nezumi.demon.co.uk>
> > > wrote:
> > > ...
> > >> I have not seen it fail on modern posts by keyword at all.
> > >> I blame user error.
>
> > >> Regards,
> > >> Martin Brown
>
> > > Do the search yourself:
>
<link broken by Google.Groups>
>
> > I get
>
<link broken by Google.Groups>
>
> and that fails. Looks to me like programmer error,
> truncation of URL. Google have a bad apple in
> the barrel that needs firing before he/she does
> some serious damage.

Maybe they don't want to spend any money on a channel that earns them
"no" income? So this might be the "last position before the door", or
perhaps the "first position to see how you do"?

David A. Smith
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