From: bdbafh on 21 Dec 2005 17:13 Ah, then this database is more the victim of the defaults set in a starter database - or of the poor practices of a now defunct vendor. It is helpful to include operating system information, storage subsystem info. Care to specify the Oracle database server software version including patchsets, and whether this is Enterprise or Standard Edition? >From sqlplus: SQL> select * from v$version; SQL> select * from v$option; 7 years ago - its likely either Oracle v7.3 (7.3.4) or v8 (8.0.5). Both of these versions were long since de-supported. Locally managed tablespaces were not introduced until Oracle 8i - so those won't be an option available to you. If you're dealing with dictionary managed tablespaces back in Oracle 7.3 - you might want to consider manually coalescing that tablespace (after you have good backups). If pctincrease has been set to a non-zero value (say 50 %) its entirely possible that the next extent sizes for large segments are rather large. Adjusting these values downward may buy you some time. Performing the re-org to new tablespaces should be fairly straightforward. A tool such as TOAD has a nice GUI interface for perfoming re-organizations - you won't even have to write any scripts. what is the blocksize for this database? (its in the file init.ora). How are the backups configured for this database? - as you're going to have to be able to rely upon them prior to mucking about. As the path delimiters indicate I'm guessing that this is either an MS W2K | WinNT 4.0 box. The bug that I referred to did occur on win32 operating systems on the 2 GB mark. It would be worth your while to connect to the Oracle Metalink site https://metalink.oracle.com and see if you have hit this bug. hth. -bdbafh
From: Shredder on 22 Dec 2005 16:17 <bdbafh(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:1135203202.708185.35330(a)g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Ah, then this database is more the victim of the defaults set in a > starter database - or of the poor practices of a now defunct vendor. > > It is helpful to include operating system information, storage > subsystem info. > > Care to specify the Oracle database server software version including > patchsets, and whether this is Enterprise or Standard Edition? >>From sqlplus: > SQL> select * from v$version; > SQL> select * from v$option; > > 7 years ago - its likely either Oracle v7.3 (7.3.4) or v8 (8.0.5). > Both of these versions were long since de-supported. > Locally managed tablespaces were not introduced until Oracle 8i - so > those won't be an option available to you. > > If you're dealing with dictionary managed tablespaces back in Oracle > 7.3 - you might want to consider manually coalescing that tablespace > (after you have good backups). > > If pctincrease has been set to a non-zero value (say 50 %) its entirely > possible that the next extent sizes for large segments are rather > large. Adjusting these values downward may buy you some time. > > Performing the re-org to new tablespaces should be fairly > straightforward. > A tool such as TOAD has a nice GUI interface for perfoming > re-organizations - you won't even have to write any scripts. > > what is the blocksize for this database? (its in the file init.ora). > > How are the backups configured for this database? - as you're going to > have to be able to rely upon them prior to mucking about. > > As the path delimiters indicate I'm guessing that this is either an MS > W2K | WinNT 4.0 box. The bug that I referred to did occur on win32 > operating systems on the 2 GB mark. It would be worth your while to > connect to the Oracle Metalink site https://metalink.oracle.com and see > if you have hit this bug. > > hth. > > -bdbafh > _______________________________________________________ This is a Netware 5.1 File server and the database exist on a uncompressed netware volume. It was originally Oracle 7.3 and was updated when we built a new server and implemented Oracle 8i. Oracle8i Release 8.1.5.0.4 - Production (5 user, NetWare Bundle) PL/SQL Release 8.1.5.0.4 - Production CORE Version 8.1.5.0.4 - Production TNS for NetWare: Version 8.1.5.0.0 - Production NLSRTL Version 3.4.0.0.0 - Production PARAMETER VALUE ================================================================ ================================================================ Partitioning FALSE Objects TRUE Parallel Server FALSE Advanced replication FALSE Bit-mapped indexes FALSE Connection multiplexing TRUE Connection pooling TRUE Database queuing FALSE Incremental backup and recovery FALSE Instead-of triggers FALSE Parallel backup and recovery FALSE Parallel execution FALSE Parallel load TRUE Point-in-time tablespace recovery FALSE Fine-grained access control FALSE N-Tier authentication/authorization FALSE Function-based indexes FALSE Plan Stability FALSE Online Index Build FALSE Coalesce Index FALSE Managed Standby FALSE Materialized view rewrite FALSE Materialized view warehouse refresh FALSE Database resource manager FALSE Spatial FALSE Visual Information Retrieval FALSE Export transportable tablespaces FALSE Transparent Application Failover FALSE Fast-Start Fault Recovery FALSE Sample Scan FALSE Duplexed backups FALSE Java FALSE db_block_size = 2048
From: bdbafh on 22 Dec 2005 18:31 thanks for the info. IIRC, locally managed tablespaces weren't available in 8.1.5 (though I never used 8.1.5). As this is standard edition, online reorganization of tables and indexes is not supported. Here is an article discussing move/rebuild of segments: http://www.dbazine.com/oracle/or-articles/hordila1 I seem to have misplaced my otn credentials. The 8.1.7 docs are no longer available online on otn. This is a link into the administrator's guide - "Moving a Table to a New Segment or Tablespace" http://www.oracle.com/pls/db92/db92.to_URL?remark=drilldown&urlname=http:%2F%2Fdownload-west.oracle.com%2Fdocs%2Fcd%2FB10501_01%2Fserver.920%2Fa96521%2Ftables.htm%236359 This is an offline operation - as indexes will be marked as unusable until they are rebuilt. 1. schedule a maintenance window 2. prepare your re-org scripts 3. backup the database 4. create the new tablespaces (nologging) 5. execute the script to alter table <table_name> move tablespace <tablespace_name> nologging 6. execute the script to rebuild the indexes (nologging) alter index <index_name> rebuild tablespace <tablespace_name> nologging 7. alter the tablespace, tables and indexes to logging 8. gather stats via dbms_utility.analyze_table (defaults to cascade=>true) 9. backup the database again 10. UAT btw - you might want to alter the storage parameters for the tables and indexes prior to the rebuild - such as to set pctincrease=0, initial_extent = next extent. "How to Stop Defragmenting and Start Living" http://www.oracle.com/technology/deploy/availability/pdf/defrag.pdf hth. -bdbafh
From: HansF on 22 Dec 2005 18:49 On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:31:29 -0800, bdbafh wrote: > thanks for the info. > IIRC, locally managed tablespaces weren't available in 8.1.5 (though I > never used 8.1.5). From the 8.1.5 Concepts manual, there is a discussion of LMTs in http://download-east.oracle.com/docs/cd/F49540_01/DOC/server.815/a67781/c03space.htm#4346 > I seem to have misplaced my otn credentials. The 8.1.7 docs are no > longer available online on otn. This is a link into the administrator's > guide - "Moving a Table to a New Segment or Tablespace" > http://www.oracle.com/pls/db92/db92.to_URL?remark=drilldown&urlname=http:%2F%2Fdownload-west.oracle.com%2Fdocs%2Fcd%2FB10501_01%2Fserver.920%2Fa96521%2Ftables.htm%236359 The OTN URL http://www.oracle.com/technology/documentation/oracle8i_arch_815.html will provide the link to 8.1.5, 6 and 7 docco. It's easy enough to create a new OTN registration. Let me know if you want to new gmail invite to create a 'do not disturb' email address. -- Hans Forbrich Canada-wide Oracle training and consulting mailto: Fuzzy.GreyBeard_at_gmail.com *** Top posting [replies] guarantees I won't respond. ***
From: bdbafh on 22 Dec 2005 19:12 email address domain change - the password reset is going to old, now non-existent domain. I took care of my Metalink account, but not the otn account. I'll contact a human next year. thanks.
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