From: Joerg on
Tauno Voipio wrote:
> Joerg wrote:
>> Tauno Voipio wrote:
>>> Joerg wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That is because you were not a ham radio operator on a tight budget.
>>>> We had glass turning mildly liquid, being sucked in and ending up
>>>> snug on the plates. That was the time to turn off the rig. A few
>>>> seconds more in transmit and there'd be a loud bang.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The Haig Dimple whisky bottle looks like a 6146 or an EL 500
>>> after a contest.
>>>
>>> Been there, tried that.
>>>
>>
>> Wow, I've never made a 6146 suck in its glass. I had the well past
>> cherry-red though.
>>
>
> Remember the old OH2AM team in many contests decades ago?
>

Not sure, last time I participated in contests was in the late 70's.


> I have seen the phenomenon with 807, 813, 6146, EL 500, EL 509
> and some TV line output tubes with US markings (6LQ6 & co).
>

Even 807? Yikes. I've mostly seen it with PL509 tubes and maybe the
occasional 6KD6.

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From: Jon Kirwan on
On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 12:37:08 -0800, Joerg
<invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote:

>Jon Kirwan wrote:
>> On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 11:07:36 -0800, Joerg
>> <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> Jon Kirwan wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 10:14:41 -0800, Joerg
>>>> <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Jon Kirwan wrote:
>>>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>>>> P.S. There is a great book on knowledge; IMHO very easily
>>>>>> grasped and extremely very well argued in six separate
>>>>>> lectures. The author is Jacob Bronowski and the book is
>>>>>> called, "The Origins of Knowledge and Imagination," 1979.
>>>>>> Copies are available for very little money (only a few
>>>>>> dollars) via abebooks or alibris. I consider it to be an
>>>>>> excellent primer, enjoyably told, and I gladly recommend it
>>>>>> to anyone. No matter how you come down on anything I write,
>>>>>> I think you'll enjoy his lectures -- they were given to very
>>>>>> young students and are very easy to follow, while
>>>>>> simultaneously engaging, too.
>>>>> I hope some day I'll have more time to devote to the more philosophical
>>>>> books. Right now I work in so many new fields that I have to constantly
>>>>> study (mostly ME stuff).
>>>> Hehe. Me, too. However, I think that book is extremely
>>>> readable and enjoyable in each and every paragraph. You'll
>>>> find it no trouble at all. And cheap, besides. Why not
>>>> expose yourself to something merely on a lark once in a
>>>> while. Might expand a horizon and find something fun you
>>>> didn't realize was in you. ;)
>>>>
>>> Ok, but we spend the evenings with bible reading, card games and (full
>>> confession here) lately some TV. We discovered a secondary digital
>>> channel which carries "THIS-TV". Tons of documentaries, old movies,
>>> westerns and so on.
>>
>> Oh, my, J�rg! Cut a TV show or two!! The book requires
>> maybe three hours. It's not a bible, or something.
>>
>
>But it's hard to forego a great western :-)
>
>
>> By the way, I've spent many thousands of hours reading the
>> bible -- and even doing my own translations of parts of it,
>> from source materials and references. I keep shelves full of
>> various books and parallels (you might know what these are,
>> don't know), as well. A couple of years of university level
>> theology training does that to one, I suppose. What I'm
>> asking is _nothing_ like that! It's easy reading.
>>
>
>Well, I got to be honest here. I don't have all that much fun reading
>the more philosophical texts.

Ah. Well, it certainly won't help you build the next thing.
;) I try and keep fingers on both sides. For example, I
both _designed_ the entire home for my son, doing all of the
engineering calculations required, as well as personally dug
the foundation (alone), laid the foundation boards and placed
the rebar, added rebar clamps, built a cubic foot wooden box
to hold and measure gravel and cement, and mixed and poured
it. I think _all_ is important, theory _and_ practice.

>The theology training I do not have, sometimes I wish I did. But got to
>retire first ;-)

hehe. Well, I have a million recommendations there, too.
There's a great web site now that actually places up the
photographs of various fragments of source materials, for
example. Lots to study, there. I can assure you of one
thing... if and when you ever get around to doing that work
for a while, your entire perspective WILL change. No
question. I don't mean to suggest it will change your
beliefs -- my favorite teacher of theology was a Catholic nun
and she would certainly run rings around me on this subject.
So you will hold your beliefs, likely. But I can assure you
that some facets of how you think about it will markedly
change from the experience.

>> And card games appeared to also be the usual fare for us
>> Swedish family types, though I've long since dropped most of
>> that habit. ;)
>
>One of our house rules: We never play for money, with anyone. Just for
>fun. In the same way we never visit casinos.

Hehe. I don't remember betting on canasta around here. :)

>> But every evening doing bible reading??!!?! if you are
>> spending that kind of time, I highly highly recommend taking
>> some serious, high quality, university level coursework. You
>> really need to be able to know where to go to get the raw
>> materials and do some of your own work in finding out exactly
>> what source materials exist (fragments only, in many cases,
>> if you use the earliest stuff), how they vary each from
>> another (and they do, in some cases a lot), and gain some
>> knowledge about _how_ people wrote and thought about things
>> back then so you can place what you see into some cultural
>> context, as well. Cripes, if you are working that hard, you
>> should get a leg up on the more academic side of this. You've
>> obviously got the energy and interest for it.
>
>Interest, yes, but not sure about the energy. The author of "40 Days of
>Purpose" wrote something that kept ringing in my mind: "You can do the
>umpteenth bible study but at some point you've got to take what you know
>and get out there with it, and do stuff", or something like that.

Well, don't do the umpteenth. Just the first, second, and
third. If you are arguing that ONE BOOK is a dedication of
your life, well.... I just don't know what to say to that.

Jon
From: Joel Koltner on
"Jon Kirwan" <jonk(a)infinitefactors.org> wrote in message
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> hehe. I took it on for the _same_ reasons that I stated in
> this group on the Vbe multiplier: "I'd rather _keep_ the
> money and _keep_ the education for myself. That way it pays
> off, again and again." It was for _my_ benefit, as well as
> his. Saved a hell of a lot of money, too!

The trick is knowing when it's cheaper overall to just purchase a product or
service. :-) In personal life, for most of us this choice is clear-cut (it's
only folks like Warren Buffet who would very likely be losing money if they
chose to build their own home), whereas with businesses it seems common when
small businesses struggle to grow beyond a certain threshold due to the
founders being unwilling to risk others starting to make some of the big
decisions... or somewhat alternatively, trying to develop all their skills
internally when it'd be much cheaper and faster to hire a good consultant.

From: Joerg on
Jon Kirwan wrote:

[...]

> Yes! But I have learned that if I want to find out for
> myself and not rely upon the interpretation of others, I have
> to go back to copies of the source materials (and as much of
> it as possible.) For example, did you know that the very
> earliest pieces of the new testament date to about 125 AD?
> Fragments from Matthew held, last I heard, at Oxford's
> Magdalen College. Bits from chapter 26, for example. Just a
> few words here and there.
>

Some of its history has even made in into wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magdalen_papyrus

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From: JosephKK on
On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 07:11:28 -0500, Bitrex <bitrex(a)de.lete.earthlink.net> wrote:

>
>> Bitrex,
>> Do you have a degree presently? Did you get another degree back in
>> the deeps of time? If so, then go for a masters in EE. Easier, and
>> more fun!
>>
>> Charlie
>
>No such luck I'm afraid, Charlie. I did several semesters of college as
>a Comp Sci major, back in the late 90s, but I made a poor choice of
>school and things didn't work out. I was searching for somewhere to
>transfer to when I fell ill the first time. After recovering from that
>I had to give up my educational aspirations in favor of making a living,
>at least until I fell seriously ill the second time...Go on like that
>for a while and suddenly a decade has passed.
>
>I do have a lot of "gen ed" prerequisite courses for transfer credit
>under my belt, I did them here and there at various community colleges
>(and Harvard's adult education program) over the years with the hope
>that someday I'd have the chance to enroll in a full degree program.
>Circumstances have granted me that opportunity now, and I feel this is
>probably my last chance.

There are people finishing their BS in their 50s and later. I was over 40.
The bottom line is never quit, never say die. And then one day you graduate.
Trust me that can be a delicious moment. Especially if there are/were
family/friends that did not believe you could make it.