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From: SkippyPB on 2 Aug 2010 13:28 On Mon, 2 Aug 2010 07:53:03 -0500, "HeyBub" <heybub(a)NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote: >docdwarf(a)panix.com wrote: >> In article <8bil48FgrnU1(a)mid.individual.net>, >> Pete Dashwood <dashwood(a)removethis.enternet.co.nz> wrote: >>> HeyBub wrote: >> >> [snip] >> >>>> Well, when the political liberals saw this, they went nuts. Waving >>>> this tome aloft, they cried that Beck was insane, that whoever could >>>> concoct such as this was obviously diseased. The author should be >>>> burnt at the stake and the ashes scattered (take no chances). I'm >>>> serious the "progressives" nearly itched to death! >> >> [snip] >> >>> It is interesting, but for an entire society to get excited about >>> what is simply a negotiation stratagem and recognised by anyone who >>> has studied conflict resolution and negotiation as the "Salami" >>> ploy, is a bit disappointing. >> >> Speaking only from my small bit of This Side of the Pond, Mr >> Dashwood, I can confess to utter unawareness that such a book was >> published and saw no evidence that anyone of any study beyond >> grade-school evidence ought but sadness and boredom. >> >> (note to those from other lands - whenever an American (or someone who >> purports to think like one )makes a statement about an entire group, >> such as 'all the political liberals' (or feels the need to qualify a >> labelling of a group with quotation marks, such as "prograssives" (" >> original)) it is, in my experience, less an attempt at description >> than it is an attempt at propagandising.) >> > >Your experience is sadly flawed. > >When a smattering of the members of [group] assert something and no other >member of [group] objects, one can fairly assume the assertion is >universally accepted by all members of [group]. > >This concept is called "assent by silence" [qui tacet consentire videtur]. > No it is not. It is called apathy. >I put "progressives" (sorry about offending your sensitive nature with the >typographical error) in scare quotes to signify the word does not represent >its conventional meaning, but is rather an attempt by members of the liberal >persuasion to rehabilitate their image. > Regards, -- //// (o o) -oOO--(_)--OOo- "If I held you any closer I would be on the other side of you." -- Groucho Marx ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Remove nospam to email me. Steve
From: Howard Brazee on 2 Aug 2010 16:36 On Mon, 2 Aug 2010 12:23:28 +1200, "Pete Dashwood" <dashwood(a)removethis.enternet.co.nz> wrote: > >In a Democracy, we seldom get the politicians we want; we invariably get the >politicians we deserve. I disagree - depending on how you are defining "we". Or are you saying that trying very hard but failing to get the politician we want means we deserved what we got because of our failure? And our children deserved it as well because of our failure? When we get the politicians we want, we deserve what we get. -- "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found, than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace to the legislature, and not to the executive department." - James Madison
From: Howard Brazee on 2 Aug 2010 16:41 On Mon, 2 Aug 2010 12:11:10 +0000 (UTC), docdwarf(a)panix.com () wrote: >(note to those from other lands - whenever an American (or someone who >purports to think like one )makes a statement about an entire group, such >as 'all the political liberals' (or feels the need to qualify a labelling >of a group with quotation marks, such as "prograssives" (" original)) it >is, in my experience, less an attempt at description than it is an attempt >at propagandising.) Labels disguise truth and facts. Some labels are "magic" and are used without any real logic - for instance the same policy pushed by Republicans when pushed by Democrats is "Socialism". (When I compare what Obama is doing and what Reagan did and proposed, it is not at all obvious to me that Reagan was more conservative). -- "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found, than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace to the legislature, and not to the executive department." - James Madison
From: Anonymous on 2 Aug 2010 19:06 In article <b10e56tmad3ibt4d6588av6udb8n97720b(a)4ax.com>, SkippyPB <swiegand(a)Nospam.neo.rr.com> wrote: >On Mon, 2 Aug 2010 07:53:03 -0500, "HeyBub" <heybub(a)NOSPAMgmail.com> >wrote: [snip] >>This concept is called "assent by silence" [qui tacet consentire videtur]. >> > >No it is not. It is called apathy. Hey, nobody has any feelings about apathy! (An. Gr. 'pathos', a feeling, a-, without) DD
From: Anonymous on 2 Aug 2010 19:10
In article <n2be569f45bagvvn4di28cth64udrqoi0q(a)4ax.com>, Howard Brazee <howard(a)brazee.net> wrote: >On Mon, 2 Aug 2010 12:11:10 +0000 (UTC), docdwarf(a)panix.com () wrote: > >>(note to those from other lands - whenever an American (or someone who >>purports to think like one )makes a statement about an entire group, such >>as 'all the political liberals' (or feels the need to qualify a labelling >>of a group with quotation marks, such as "prograssives" (" original)) it >>is, in my experience, less an attempt at description than it is an attempt >>at propagandising.) > >Labels disguise truth and facts. Labels (say, for the amount of heat necessary to raise the temperature of 1cc of pure water at sea level one degree Centigrade) allow for measurement and reproducible phenomena, as well. >Some labels are "magic" and are >used without any real logic - for instance the same policy pushed by >Republicans when pushed by Democrats is "Socialism". This might be a cause for some folks' asking into definitions and demonstrated chains of reasoning... funny how that works, eh? DD |