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From: Rob on 10 Jul 2010 08:08 Ulick Magee <ulickatmaildotcom(a)feckoff.invalid> wrote: > Rob wrote: >> >> This used to work fine in the days of paid SuSE versions. >> >> But I guess this is the price we pay for having a freebie. > > If you want long term, paid-for support you can always get SLES or SLED. Yes that is probably the reason. I don't like SLES even though we use the systems in a company. We have had one SLES license and I did not like it at all.
From: David Bolt on 10 Jul 2010 08:33 On Saturday 10 Jul 2010 09:49, while playing with a tin of spray paint, Rob painted this mural: > Ulick Magee <ulickatmaildotcom(a)feckoff.invalid> wrote: >> Chris Cox wrote: >> Does it really make a difference? If you are doing a fresh install >> (whether keeping /home or not) it makes no difference. Doing an upgrade >> over more than 1 version is not supported so may not work. I think going >> 3 versions up in one go would be a risk. > > This used to work fine in the days of paid SuSE versions. Upgrading from one version to the next has always been supported, at first through YaST, then YaST2, and now using zypper[0] as well. Jumping over a version has never been supported, not back before S.u.S.E. became SuSE, and still isn't supported now. That doesn't mean it won't work, as I've successfully jumped several versions in a go on various systems[1]. > But I guess this is the price we pay for having a freebie. And what price is that? It's always been free, although some time ago you needed to wait a short time after the release of the boxed sets before it became available on the FTP servers, and they didn't make ISO images available for download. Now you get live CDs images, DVD images, net install CDs, and they're all available for download on, or even slightly before, the official release date. As for the boxed set, I can't say much about that as I've not seen one since 11.1. [0] While it's unsupported, instructions for doing the jump from 10.3 and 11.0 to 11.1 or 11.2 are given here: <http://en.opensuse.org/Upgrade/Unsupported> Jumping to 11.2 is supported from 11.1, and the instructions for that are here: <http://en.opensuse.org/Upgrade/Supported> <http://wiki.opensuse.org/SDB:System_upgrade> [2] And it probably won't be long before the page is updated to show how to do it when jumping to 11.3. [1] And, going by others reporting similar success, I'm not the only one to have done so. [2] The wiki.opensuse.org links are supposedly temporary, and should end up being moved back under en.opensuse.org in a few days, 2010-07-12. Unless they move it somewhere else, that page will possibly end up as: <http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:System_upgrade> Regards, David Bolt -- Team Acorn: www.distributed.net | | openSUSE 11.3RC2 32b | openSUSE 11.1 64b | openSUSE 11.2 64b | | openSUSE 11.1 PPC | TOS 4.02 | RISC OS 4.02 | RISC OS 3.11
From: David Bolt on 10 Jul 2010 10:19 On Saturday 10 Jul 2010 14:36, while playing with a tin of spray paint, houghi painted this mural: > David Bolt wrote: >> And what price is that? It's always been free, although some time ago >> you needed to wait a short time after the release of the boxed sets >> before it became available on the FTP servers, and they didn't make ISO >> images available for download. Now you get live CDs images, DVD images, >> net install CDs, and they're all available for download on, or even >> slightly before, the official release date. > > And they can all be transformed to USB keys as well. And if you don't > like it, you can make your own version and if it just certain programs, > you can make that yourself as well. And you can join them and tell them > what you want changed. And they have a free seminar where you can meet > many of the developers. And ... And it's still all free. >> As for the boxed set, I >> can't say much about that as I've not seen one since 11.1. > > The boxed set is no longer made by Novell. It is marketed by a different > company who also does the 60(?) day support you get when you buy one. > Even though he pronmised to change nothing and still send out boxed sets > to developers, I have not seen anything. Nor me. > I did a short calculation on the ups.com website and it is 22.50USD per > package. Now this is to Belgium and not all packages go there. The > cheapest I get is about 8USD. So let's assume a low estimate of 10USD > per package (and that is very low) you will pay at least 400x10 is > 4.000USD or 3.163EUR or 2.654GBP ITYM $2,000, €1,581.50 or £1,327 if it was 200 boxes, which is what you mentioned them sending out. > That is obviously only sending, and does not include the packaging and > content and handling itself. > > That is the low range. For Novell that is a simple writeoff. For a much > smaller company that is cutting right into their profits. I think it would probably be quite a bit more than that, as I'd guess that close to half, or even more, of them would be going to Europe and Asia. My purely random guess, which is based upon half at $22.50 and half at $8.00, would push the average cost up to $15.25, and for 200 boxes this would be $3,050.00, €2,411.79 or £2,023.68. 400 boxes would be double that, and that would probably wipe out any possible profit. Regards, David Bolt -- Team Acorn: www.distributed.net | | openSUSE 11.3RC2 32b | openSUSE 11.1 64b | openSUSE 11.2 64b | | openSUSE 11.1 PPC | TOS 4.02 | RISC OS 4.02 | RISC OS 3.11
From: Chris Cox on 10 Jul 2010 12:50 On Sat, 2010-07-10 at 09:45 +0100, Ulick Magee wrote: > Chris Cox wrote: > > > > And as it reads.. the primary purpose is to make migration to 11.3 an > > easier thing for those on 11.0. > > Does it really make a difference? If you are doing a fresh install > (whether keeping /home or not) it makes no difference. Doing an upgrade > over more than 1 version is not supported so may not work. I think going > 3 versions up in one go would be a risk. Did zypper dup even exist on 11.0? I should have reworded... it gives 11.0 users patches up until the release of 11.3 so that they WILL move to 11.3 instead of going to 11.2.
From: Will Honea on 10 Jul 2010 13:30
houghi wrote: > As it is always hard to do estimates on such things, I always go to the > low side. Previously it was send from the US. The company now is in > Germany, so that might bump up the price even more. > > And perhaps they are not allwed to get the (email) adresses and use them > due to privacy laws in Germany. > > But I realy do not mind. I can download it. Back when burners and DVD-RW blanks were not commodity items, we used to distribute our "free" product updates via a network of regional shops where they downloaded the images and artwork then did the shipping under their own bulk contracts. Anymore, I can get a product distributed all over North America for pretty close to local shipping costs through a number of companies set up specifically to do mass mailings. They take your printing, disc duplication, etc. along with your mailing list and you're done for a fixed price. Not cheap - one group I work with recently sent out a package containing a 300 page A4 sized book with 2 DVDs to 45,000 members located world wide and the total costs were just over US$250k - but a lot more cost effective than a DIY effort. Putting something on the net and swallowing the bandwidth cost is a whole lot more attractive! -- Will Honea |