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From: Duke Normandin on 19 Mar 2010 13:07
On 2010-03-19, HeyBub <heybub(a)NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> Richard wrote:
>> On Mar 19, 8:40 am, "HeyBub" <hey...(a)NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>>> Richard wrote:
>>>
>>>> Use midnight commander (mc). This has a virtual file system for RPMs
>>>> (and tar, zip, gz, etc). Navigate to the rpm file, press enter and
>>>> it goes inside. CONTENTS.cpio is a directory of the files being
>>>> installed so you can move around to see what is there.
>>>
>>> As long as we're trumpeting software, I'd like to suggest Mikogo.
>>
>> Does it help in finding out what is included in an RPM file ?
>
> No, Sorry. I was counting on you to be able to deduce that yourself.
>
> We experienced computer users call this "thread drift" - it's fairly
> common - and we old-timers sometimes forget that neophytes read what we
> write.
>
> I apologize for the oversight.
>

[snip]

> You youngsters should really leave the technical stuff to your betters.


ROTFL ....... :)) :))

--
Duke Normandin
*** Tolerance becomes a crime, when applied to evil [Thomas Mann] ***

From: Richard on 19 Mar 2010 14:30
On Mar 20, 4:58 am, "HeyBub" <hey...(a)NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> Richard wrote:
> > On Mar 19, 8:40 am, "HeyBub" <hey...(a)NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> >> Richard wrote:
>
> >>> Use midnight commander (mc). This has a virtual file system for RPMs
> >>> (and tar, zip, gz, etc). Navigate to the rpm file, press enter and
> >>> it goes inside. CONTENTS.cpio is a directory of the files being
> >>> installed so you can move around to see what is there.
>
> >> As long as we're trumpeting software, I'd like to suggest Mikogo.
>
> > Does it help in finding out what is included in an RPM file ?
>
> No, Sorry. I was counting on you to be able to deduce that yourself.
>
> We experienced computer users call this "thread drift" - it's fairly
> common - and we old-timers sometimes forget that neophytes read what we
> write.
>
> I apologize for the oversight.
>
>
>
>
>
> >> Mikogo is a remote desktop tool that allows you to transfer the
> >> desktop, mouse, and keyboard to your machine - or vice-versa. You
> >> can also move files between machines.
>
> >> Mikogo is free, even for commercial use, and does not require
> >> anything to be installed on the remote computer.
>
> >> The remote user simply navigates towww.mikogo.comand enters a
> >> session-id which you provide. After that, the two machines are as
> >> one. Further up to six additional remote machines can participate in
> >> the session.
>
> >> What makes this product superior to others is that it is free for
> >> commercial use. You can remotely assist one of your clients legally
> >> and without installing anything on their machine.
>
> > No. That is not true.
>
> > The 'organizer' or 'presenter', ie the machine that is being looked at
> > by the others, _does_ require software to be installed. In the case of
> > providing support for a client it is the client that must install the
> > software so that the support can see the client's problem.
>
> > The 'participants' or viewers see the presenter's desktop on their web
> > browser.
>
> > While it is capable of switching to a 'participants' desktop that is
> > only possible if that user has the software installed.
>
> You are mistaken. The remote location need not load any software or do
> anything other than log on to the Mikogo web site.


From the mikogo site:

"""To join, participants simply run an executable file, which can be
downloaded directly from the Internet on demand and which is only
saved in a temporary download folder."""

I suggest that you take you leave the technical stuff to mikogo.


> The initiation can be
> configured to immediately take control of the remote location's computer
> upon connection (with permission). We use this several times a month and I
> assure you the remote locations load nothing on their computer.
>
> "...an ideal feature for remote support session organizers. With it, you can
> start a session, invite a participant, and have the participant instantly
> become the presenter and show their screen to you. You can even obtain
> initial remote control of your participant's keyboard & mouse..."
>
> You youngsters should really leave the technical stuff to your betters.

From: Duke Normandin on 19 Mar 2010 14:55
On 2010-03-19, Richard <riplin(a)Azonic.co.nz> wrote:
>
> I suggest that you take you leave the technical stuff to mikogo.
>

<plonk>

--
Duke Normandin
*** Tolerance becomes a crime, when applied to evil [Thomas Mann] ***

From: starwars on 20 Mar 2010 15:42
"HeyBub" <heybub(a)NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:

How many times can you say "free" in one post?

Anything going through anybody else's server is not free. It may not cost
you money, but it costs you security.

No thanks.

From: HeyBub on 22 Mar 2010 19:19
starwars wrote:
> "HeyBub" <heybub(a)NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>
> How many times can you say "free" in one post?
>
> Anything going through anybody else's server is not free. It may not
> cost you money, but it costs you security.
>
> No thanks.

In the abstract, you are correct.

But running your own server carries a not-insignificant price and even then
you are at the mercy of nefarious packet-sniffer snoops on the internet
connection.

You could personally visit the remote site, but that, too, costs a
significant amount of moola. I suppose the remote site could ship their
computer to you and, if it was, say, a laptop, it shouldn't be too
expensive. There's the time involved, but what's a few days for security
concerns (neglecting the small, but non-zero chance the package may be
tampered with enroute).

All in all, as you succinctly point out, one has to weigh the benefits vs.
confidentiality of helping a 70-year old set up an internet dominos game so
he can play with his grandson.


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