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From: pimpom on 30 Jan 2010 12:51
Hammy wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 01:18:02 +0530, "pimpom"
> <pimpom(a)invalid.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> Hammy wrote:
>>> I have a HP LASER JET 1018 that the toner is running out. I
>>> see
>>> staples and the regular chains sell replacements for in
>>> excess
>>> of
>>> $100.00. That is more then what I paid for the printer
>>> $48.00.
>>>
>>> I was wondering if anybody tried any of these discount toners
>>> like
>>> this.
>>>
>>> http://www.123inkcartridges.ca/hp-toner-cartridges/Laserjet-1018.html
>>>
>>> This is only $25.00.
>>>
>>> If they have does it still work are do they use some kind of
>>> sub
>>> standard toner and the process wont work with the cheap
>>> toner?
>>> I know
>>> people report problems with some of the brother printers is
>>> this
>>> because of the toner or the printer.
>>
>> My printing needs are light and I don't use third-party
>> toners,
>> but I know several people who use them regularly. Some are
>> very
>> good and others are acceptable. Some of them also buy the
>> toner
>> powder and refill the cartridges themselves. Output quality
>> varies but, as with inkjet refills, it's usually quite good as
>> long as care and common sense are applied. (I've done it
>> myself
>> once). The cost comes to the equivalent of about $3-5 US per
>> cartridge.
>>
> Just an update.
>
> The cheap toner does work. I used it so far to do a multiple
> output
> 10W flyback. There doesnt seem to be any quality difference in
> the
> toner. Traces to 8mil with a TPS40210 in a 10 pin power pad
> MSOP.
>
> So anyone else using a 1018 for PCB toner transfer method save
> yourself a couple of bucks.

Somehow I missed the "PCB" part in the subject line earlier. I
did notice the "toner transfer" part and at first thought that it
was for transferring PCB art work to Cu-clad board. But when
there was no mention of PCBs in the message body, I thought you
were talking about general printing jobs on paper and the
"transfer" in the subject line was just a poor choice of
expression for changing the toner cartridge. No, I wasn't drunk.
:-)

Anyway, can you tell me what medium you use for printing? Are
special media specifically meant for transfer to PCBs common
nowadays? I ask because I use the toner transfer method from time
to time, but in the remote location where I live, I'm having a
hard time getting suitable media consistently.



From: Hammy on 30 Jan 2010 16:45
On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 23:21:58 +0530, "pimpom" <pimpom(a)invalid.invalid>
wrote:


>
>Somehow I missed the "PCB" part in the subject line earlier. I
>did notice the "toner transfer" part and at first thought that it
>was for transferring PCB art work to Cu-clad board. But when
>there was no mention of PCBs in the message body, I thought you
>were talking about general printing jobs on paper and the
>"transfer" in the subject line was just a poor choice of
>expression for changing the toner cartridge. No, I wasn't drunk.
>:-)
>
>Anyway, can you tell me what medium you use for printing? Are
>special media specifically meant for transfer to PCBs common
>nowadays? I ask because I use the toner transfer method from time
>to time, but in the remote location where I live, I'm having a
>hard time getting suitable media consistently.
>
>
I've been using staples "Photo Glossy Paper" item#471861. I've heard
people have used magazine paper but I stick with what I know works.

I get thirty sheets for about ten bucks; multiple PCB's can fit on one
piece for me anyway's, most of my PCB's are as small as I can get
them. The flyback I just did is 1.8" x 2.9".
From: JeffM on 30 Jan 2010 17:12
pimpom wrote:
>Are special media specifically meant for transfer to PCBs
>common nowadays?
>
This is the good stuff:
http://www.techniks.com/how_to.htm
http://google.com/search?q=site:allelectronics.com+%22+Press-n-Peel

>I ask because I use the toner transfer method
>from time to time, but in the remote location where I live,
>I'm having a hard time getting suitable media consistently.
>
My first efforts were with clay-covered paper
(the glossy stuff, like magazine pages).
I got advertising flyers in the mail that were blank on one side
and I used those.
Tom Gootee's page on this is an old standard:
http://google.com/search?q=cache:_VA3Om2498QJ:www.fullnet.com/~tomg/gooteepc.htm+Hydrogen.Peroxide+persulphate+Muriatic.Acid+Ferric.Chloride+Crinolin+it-STAINS-*-*+Hydrochloric.Acid+*-*-stain-*-*+Glossy+brush+*-*-*-transparent+Persulfate
http://www.fullnet.com/~tomg/gooteepc.htm

Soaking the paper thoroughly in warm water
is what makes it easy to get off.
Soaking it again if it isn't all coming off is the trick.

An old thread on this:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.design/browse_frm/thread/46bdd51e54a09491/e7e4040e8e34cdf5?q=z+blue.stuff+Jetprint
From: Ken Fowler on 30 Jan 2010 23:48

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> On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 23:21:58 +0530, "pimpom" <pimpom(a)invalid.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>
> >
> >Somehow I missed the "PCB" part in the subject line earlier. I
> >did notice the "toner transfer" part and at first thought that it
> >was for transferring PCB art work to Cu-clad board. But when
> >there was no mention of PCBs in the message body, I thought you
> >were talking about general printing jobs on paper and the
> >"transfer" in the subject line was just a poor choice of
> >expression for changing the toner cartridge. No, I wasn't drunk.
> >:-)
> >
> >Anyway, can you tell me what medium you use for printing? Are
> >special media specifically meant for transfer to PCBs common
> >nowadays? I ask because I use the toner transfer method from time
> >to time, but in the remote location where I live, I'm having a
> >hard time getting suitable media consistently.
> >
> >
> I've been using staples "Photo Glossy Paper" item#471861. I've heard
> people have used magazine paper but I stick with what I know works.
>
> I get thirty sheets for about ten bucks; multiple PCB's can fit on one
> piece for me anyway's, most of my PCB's are as small as I can get
> them. The flyback I just did is 1.8" x 2.9".

I had good success using the backing sheet from Avery Labels (after I used
the labels). I used transparent tape to tape the backing sheet to a sheet
of plain copy paper so it would feed through the printer. Temperature and
pressure of the iron used for transfer to copper are the hardest parts of
the process to get right. The label backing sheet seems to need less heat
and pressure than photo paper. The Press'n'Peel sheets also make sharp
images.

Ken Fowler, KO6NO
--
From: Jamie on 31 Jan 2010 09:48
JeffM wrote:
> pimpom wrote:
>
>>Are special media specifically meant for transfer to PCBs
>>common nowadays?
>>
>
> This is the good stuff:
> http://www.techniks.com/how_to.htm
> http://google.com/search?q=site:allelectronics.com+%22+Press-n-Peel
>
>
>>I ask because I use the toner transfer method
>
>>from time to time, but in the remote location where I live,
>
>>I'm having a hard time getting suitable media consistently.
>>
>
> My first efforts were with clay-covered paper
> (the glossy stuff, like magazine pages).
> I got advertising flyers in the mail that were blank on one side
> and I used those.
> Tom Gootee's page on this is an old standard:
> http://google.com/search?q=cache:_VA3Om2498QJ:www.fullnet.com/~tomg/gooteepc.htm+Hydrogen.Peroxide+persulphate+Muriatic.Acid+Ferric.Chloride+Crinolin+it-STAINS-*-*+Hydrochloric.Acid+*-*-stain-*-*+Glossy+brush+*-*-*-transparent+Persulfate
> http://www.fullnet.com/~tomg/gooteepc.htm
>
> Soaking the paper thoroughly in warm water
> is what makes it easy to get off.
> Soaking it again if it isn't all coming off is the trick.
>
> An old thread on this:
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.design/browse_frm/thread/46bdd51e54a09491/e7e4040e8e34cdf5?q=z+blue.stuff+Jetprint
Inkjet glossy Photo paper!., Print on the glossy side. Iron on. Its
water soluble.

Works a treat for prototyping or single unit/home project.


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