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From: tony cooper on 14 Jun 2010 11:06 On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 07:30:26 -0700 (PDT), Des <desotuatail(a)aol.com> wrote: >On Jun 14, 3:11�pm, tony cooper <tony_cooper...(a)earthlink.net> wrote: >> On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 06:08:51 -0700 (PDT), Des <desotuat...(a)aol.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Jun 13, 10:42�pm, tony cooper <tony_cooper...(a)earthlink.net> wrote: >> >> On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 14:14:21 -0700 (PDT), Desmond >> >> >> <otuat...(a)googlemail.com> wrote: >> >> >Hi I am not a professional and am using PS7. I want to merge images. I >> >> >have a large base image and want to add smaller ones inside. I have >> >> >cut around some images as gif and wanted to add a few pixels (white) >> >> >around them so that when I add the images they would be distinctive >> >> >with the small white border. >> >> >If anyone can tell me of another way? I dont want to merge them >> >> >without border as this would look poor in quality. >> >> >> There are always several ways of doing anything in Photoshop. �The way >> >> I would do your project is to open your base file and open your file >> >> with the smaller image. �Go to Window>Documents>Tile and click. >> >> >> That will put both images on the screen side-by-side. �Now use your >> >> Lasso tool* to cut around the part of the smaller image file. �Once >> >> you've completed the lasso, use the Move tool and drag the cut-out >> >> from the smaller file to the base file. �You can position it anywhere >> >> you want in the base file. �Close the secondary file. >> >> >> Then go to the next secondary file and do the same thing. �Each >> >> addition will be a new layer, and you will flatten the image at the >> >> end. >> >> >> As to your white border, on the layer with the small image, click the >> >> Magic Wand in that layer, then Select>Inverse. �You now have "marching >> >> ants" around your small image. �Then Edit>Stroke> with white to the >> >> width you want. >> >> >> *You can use other tools to make your selection. � >> >> >> -- >> >> Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida >> >> >Thanks for your help. I have got it to work. My question is if I make >> >a copy of an image (gif) enlarge it and paint it white, why when I add >> >the original do I not get an even border around the image. I made the >> >copy 30 pixels wider (keeping proportions? >> >> >Desmond. >> >> I really don't understand why you are working with a gif. �For what >> you want to do, you need to work with a .jpg. �Gifs can have >> transparent areas, but they lose that when brought into a .psd as a >> layer. � >> >> Working with a .jpg, you can bring it into the base file as a full >> rectangular layer or as a selection if you select in the secondary >> file and them move the selection to the base file. >> >> Once you move the secondary image into the base file, you can use Free >> Transform to adjust the size of it. �With Free Transform, you can >> retain proportion or change proportion. >> >> I don't understand the "painting it white" desire. >> >> If the secondary file is a gif to begin with, use the Save As function >> and save it as a .jpg and work with that. >> >> -- >> Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > >The reason for using the gif is that I want the shape of a person or a >car. If this was an image of a car in a car park I would have the >whole image (rectangle) inserted. If I cut around the shape in a gif >file then I only get the shape. You can do that with a jpeg. You open the file with the car, make a selection of the car only, then Copy (Control C). Open the base file and Paste (Control V). That puts the car selection into the base file as a new layer. I took this sign: http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/photos/884086236_p7YFb-L.jpg cut out just the sign with the Polygonal Lasso tool, copied it, and pasted into a different jpeg that did not have the sign in it. I then used the Transform tool to re-size and skew the sign to fit in the window, flattened it, and saved as a jpeg for this result: http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/photos/900800107_QRXEJ-L.jpg No gif was used. I could have put a stroke around the sign. With a little more care, the sign should have been skewed a bit at the top left, but I was doing a quick-and-dirty example. -- Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
From: Des on 14 Jun 2010 11:35 On Jun 14, 4:06 pm, tony cooper <tony_cooper...(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 07:30:26 -0700 (PDT), Des <desotuat...(a)aol.com> > wrote: > > > > > > >On Jun 14, 3:11 pm, tony cooper <tony_cooper...(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > >> On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 06:08:51 -0700 (PDT), Des <desotuat...(a)aol.com> > >> wrote: > > >> >On Jun 13, 10:42 pm, tony cooper <tony_cooper...(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > >> >> On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 14:14:21 -0700 (PDT), Desmond > > >> >> <otuat...(a)googlemail.com> wrote: > >> >> >Hi I am not a professional and am using PS7. I want to merge images. I > >> >> >have a large base image and want to add smaller ones inside. I have > >> >> >cut around some images as gif and wanted to add a few pixels (white) > >> >> >around them so that when I add the images they would be distinctive > >> >> >with the small white border. > >> >> >If anyone can tell me of another way? I dont want to merge them > >> >> >without border as this would look poor in quality. > > >> >> There are always several ways of doing anything in Photoshop. The way > >> >> I would do your project is to open your base file and open your file > >> >> with the smaller image. Go to Window>Documents>Tile and click. > > >> >> That will put both images on the screen side-by-side. Now use your > >> >> Lasso tool* to cut around the part of the smaller image file. Once > >> >> you've completed the lasso, use the Move tool and drag the cut-out > >> >> from the smaller file to the base file. You can position it anywhere > >> >> you want in the base file. Close the secondary file. > > >> >> Then go to the next secondary file and do the same thing. Each > >> >> addition will be a new layer, and you will flatten the image at the > >> >> end. > > >> >> As to your white border, on the layer with the small image, click the > >> >> Magic Wand in that layer, then Select>Inverse. You now have "marching > >> >> ants" around your small image. Then Edit>Stroke> with white to the > >> >> width you want. > > >> >> *You can use other tools to make your selection. > > >> >> -- > >> >> Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida > > >> >Thanks for your help. I have got it to work. My question is if I make > >> >a copy of an image (gif) enlarge it and paint it white, why when I add > >> >the original do I not get an even border around the image. I made the > >> >copy 30 pixels wider (keeping proportions? > > >> >Desmond. > > >> I really don't understand why you are working with a gif. For what > >> you want to do, you need to work with a .jpg. Gifs can have > >> transparent areas, but they lose that when brought into a .psd as a > >> layer. > > >> Working with a .jpg, you can bring it into the base file as a full > >> rectangular layer or as a selection if you select in the secondary > >> file and them move the selection to the base file. > > >> Once you move the secondary image into the base file, you can use Free > >> Transform to adjust the size of it. With Free Transform, you can > >> retain proportion or change proportion. > > >> I don't understand the "painting it white" desire. > > >> If the secondary file is a gif to begin with, use the Save As function > >> and save it as a .jpg and work with that. > > >> -- > >> Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > >The reason for using the gif is that I want the shape of a person or a > >car. If this was an image of a car in a car park I would have the > >whole image (rectangle) inserted. If I cut around the shape in a gif > >file then I only get the shape. > > You can do that with a jpeg. You open the file with the car, make a > selection of the car only, then Copy (Control C). Open the base file > and Paste (Control V). That puts the car selection into the base file > as a new layer. > > I took this sign:http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/photos/884086236_p7YFb-L.jpg > > cut out just the sign with the Polygonal Lasso tool, copied it, > and pasted into a different jpeg that did not have the sign in it. I > then used the Transform tool to re-size and skew the sign to fit in > the window, flattened it, and saved as a jpeg for this result: > > http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/photos/900800107_QRXEJ-L.jpg > > No gif was used. I could have put a stroke around the sign. > > With a little more care, the sign should have been skewed a bit at the > top left, but I was doing a quick-and-dirty example. > > -- > Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - That is ok for a simple shape but if you fave to cut out a person going around each finger etc, I thought a transparent gif would be easyer. Gives me time to get around it. Took ages to do this as some of the background colour is close to that of the subject so cant use the fancy wand tool either. Desmnd.
From: tony cooper on 14 Jun 2010 13:50 On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 08:35:10 -0700 (PDT), Des <desotuatail(a)aol.com> wrote: >On Jun 14, 4:06�pm, tony cooper <tony_cooper...(a)earthlink.net> wrote: >> On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 07:30:26 -0700 (PDT), Des <desotuat...(a)aol.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Jun 14, 3:11 pm, tony cooper <tony_cooper...(a)earthlink.net> wrote: >> >> On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 06:08:51 -0700 (PDT), Des <desotuat...(a)aol.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >On Jun 13, 10:42 pm, tony cooper <tony_cooper...(a)earthlink.net> wrote: >> >> >> On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 14:14:21 -0700 (PDT), Desmond >> >> >> >> <otuat...(a)googlemail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >Hi I am not a professional and am using PS7. I want to merge images. I >> >> >> >have a large base image and want to add smaller ones inside. I have >> >> >> >cut around some images as gif and wanted to add a few pixels (white) >> >> >> >around them so that when I add the images they would be distinctive >> >> >> >with the small white border. >> >> >> >If anyone can tell me of another way? I dont want to merge them >> >> >> >without border as this would look poor in quality. >> >> >> >> There are always several ways of doing anything in Photoshop. The way >> >> >> I would do your project is to open your base file and open your file >> >> >> with the smaller image. Go to Window>Documents>Tile and click. >> >> >> >> That will put both images on the screen side-by-side. Now use your >> >> >> Lasso tool* to cut around the part of the smaller image file. Once >> >> >> you've completed the lasso, use the Move tool and drag the cut-out >> >> >> from the smaller file to the base file. You can position it anywhere >> >> >> you want in the base file. Close the secondary file. >> >> >> >> Then go to the next secondary file and do the same thing. Each >> >> >> addition will be a new layer, and you will flatten the image at the >> >> >> end. >> >> >> >> As to your white border, on the layer with the small image, click the >> >> >> Magic Wand in that layer, then Select>Inverse. You now have "marching >> >> >> ants" around your small image. Then Edit>Stroke> with white to the >> >> >> width you want. >> >> >> >> *You can use other tools to make your selection. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida >> >> >> >Thanks for your help. I have got it to work. My question is if I make >> >> >a copy of an image (gif) enlarge it and paint it white, why when I add >> >> >the original do I not get an even border around the image. I made the >> >> >copy 30 pixels wider (keeping proportions? >> >> >> >Desmond. >> >> >> I really don't understand why you are working with a gif. For what >> >> you want to do, you need to work with a .jpg. Gifs can have >> >> transparent areas, but they lose that when brought into a .psd as a >> >> layer. >> >> >> Working with a .jpg, you can bring it into the base file as a full >> >> rectangular layer or as a selection if you select in the secondary >> >> file and them move the selection to the base file. >> >> >> Once you move the secondary image into the base file, you can use Free >> >> Transform to adjust the size of it. With Free Transform, you can >> >> retain proportion or change proportion. >> >> >> I don't understand the "painting it white" desire. >> >> >> If the secondary file is a gif to begin with, use the Save As function >> >> and save it as a .jpg and work with that. >> >> >> -- >> >> Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> - Show quoted text - >> >> >The reason for using the gif is that I want the shape of a person or a >> >car. If this was an image of a car in a car park I would have the >> >whole image (rectangle) inserted. If I cut around the shape in a gif >> >file then I only get the shape. >> >> You can do that with a jpeg. �You open the file with the car, make a >> selection of the car only, then Copy (Control C). �Open the base file >> and Paste (Control V). �That puts the car selection into the base file >> as a new layer. � >> >> I took this sign:http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/photos/884086236_p7YFb-L.jpg >> >> cut out just the sign with the Polygonal Lasso tool, copied it, >> and pasted into a different jpeg that did not have the sign in it. �I >> then used the Transform tool to re-size and skew the sign to fit in >> the window, flattened it, and saved as a jpeg for this result: >> >> http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/photos/900800107_QRXEJ-L.jpg >> >> No gif was used. �I could have put a stroke around the sign. >> >> With a little more care, the sign should have been skewed a bit at the >> top left, but I was doing a quick-and-dirty example. >> >> -- >> Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > >That is ok for a simple shape but if you fave to cut out a person >going around each finger etc, I thought a transparent gif would be >easyer. Gives me time to get around it. Took ages to do this as some >of the background colour is close to that of the subject so cant use >the fancy wand tool either. >Desmnd. I really don't understand people like you. You ask a question, someone goes to the trouble of explaining how what you want to do can be done, and you come back with an argument. There is absolutely *no* reason to use a .gif in this exercise. None. The problem in making a selection of a rectangular sign compared to making a selection of a person or a more complex subject is one of which tool to use to make the selection. The Lasso tool is adequate for simple objects. The Magic Wand isolates objects when there is a contrast between the object and the background. For complex objects, you have to use the Pen tool, Quick Mask, or a Layer Mask. Personally, I prefer the Layer Mask technique. Your project is a two-stage exercise. The first stage is making the selection in the secondary image. There are numerous tutorials online that teach you how to use the various tools for this purpose. I'd suggest learning to use the Quick Mask or the Layer Mask technique because they allow you to brush over your mistakes (changing the brush from white to black which changes the brush from removing to putting what you've removed back). The second stage is to move the selection from one file to the base file and re-sizing it with the Transform edit and moving it to position with the Move tool. That's been explained. In neither step do you get any advantage in working with a .gif. It doesn't give you "more time". I'm outta here. I have no more time for arguments. -- Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
From: Kabuki on 15 Jun 2010 16:38 "Joe" <joe(a)dontspam.com> wrote in message news:oagd16h9ruaic7q1ek59t3q74oq5r05nbn(a)4ax.com... > Des <desotuatail(a)aol.com> wrote: > >> That is ok for a simple shape but if you fave to cut out a person >> going around each finger etc, I thought a transparent gif would be >> easyer. Gives me time to get around it. Took ages to do this as some >> of the background colour is close to that of the subject so cant use >> the fancy wand tool either. >> Desmnd. > > If GIF is easier or a better choice then you should have seen more people > recommended GIF to you before you started asking the question. > > And at this point, or your current level and willingly to learn, it sounds > like you are talking about MASKING (or similar), and I would say. It > would > take at least > > - Few months *if* you have some talent and knowing how to listen and learn > what you really need to learn. > > - Few years if you are slow learner, and enjoying some arguing now and > then. > And it may take forever if you enjoy arguing more than learning. > > Masking is a higher level skill which requires you to know some basic > quite well to start this level. they are right- if your cut-out is not perfect when you add a stroke or other effect it will look jagged and show all the imperfections advice on making good selections is on line everywhere- it's an essential skill for quality result using MASK allows changes as you go along- so it is better than transparent gif many tools are not active when you work in gif (indexed color mode) you can try to save your bad cutout by using the feather option in selection try to soften the edges a little and then add the stroke sometimes you can make it look a little nicer and smoother --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: news(a)netfront.net ---
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