From: Mayayana on 3 Aug 2010 09:12 -- | I am still using the MS server for this group and for | microsoft.public.scripting.wsh, which is not active, at all. Both groups | are also mirrored on my ISP's Usenet server, so I hope they will | continue even if MS drops them. | I'm not an expert on Usenet, but there was a great deal of discussion about the change in the VB group. What it seems to boil down to is that each host is a mirror and does not necessarily discontinue a group when the original host does. There are many ISPs that will probably continue the MS groups. Also, these two free servers seem to be committed to continuing service: eternal-september.org and aioe.org I say "seem" because I'm depending on info. from people more familiar with the system, and I never saw a *really* clear explanation. From what I can gather, a host like MS may or may not send out an official message to end a given group. Then other mirrors may or may not decide to act on that message. My understanding is that the two hosts above have no intention of acting on such a message. I imagine that MS could decide to play dirty and try to get all mirrors shut down through coercion of one kind or another. I have no idea whether that's likely.
From: Kenneth A. Larsen on 3 Aug 2010 09:20 "Mayayana" <mayayana(a)invalid.nospam> wrote in message news:i36g3u$c3l$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >| Larsen the pest I mean > > I think Microsoft is gone by now. Most of the > newsgroups have already been shut down on > the MS server. Have you not seen the notices > posted here? The msnews.microsoft.com NNTP > server is closing down. Microsoft wants to control > the discussion of their products. They've set up > [unusable] web forums where people are required > to get a LiveID "tracking collar, and Microsoft > employees are in charge of directing and deleting > the discussion as they see fit. (Some of the groups, > like VB programming, are just being dumped altogether. > I'm not sure if there's a group specifically for VBS > in the new forums.) > > The groups still exist on most servers because > Usenet is decentralized, but people going through > msnews must switch to another server. I'm using > eternal-september.org, which is continuing to carry > Microsoft groups. Many ISPs still continue to carry > them. (It looks like you're going through your ISP > and probably won't have to worry about it.) > > I think we just have to count our blessings. We may > be stuck with the Kenneth A Larsens of the world, > but at least we're free to discuss. > > Come to think of it, maybe "Kenneth A Larsen" is an > attempt by MS lackeys to make the newsgroups unpleasant. > On the bright side, he doesn't post anything of relevance > so there's no need to check his posts at all. > >OK!
From: Kenneth A. Larsen on 3 Aug 2010 09:27 "Kenneth A. Larsen" <kuhlpc#2(a)optimum.net> wrote in message news:%23ymAb6wMLHA.1996(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > > "Mayayana" <mayayana(a)invalid.nospam> wrote in message > news:i36g3u$c3l$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>| Larsen the pest I mean >> >> I think Microsoft is gone by now. Most of the >> newsgroups have already been shut down on >> the MS server. Have you not seen the notices >> posted here? The msnews.microsoft.com NNTP >> server is closing down. Microsoft wants to control >> the discussion of their products. They've set up >> [unusable] web forums where people are required >> to get a LiveID "tracking collar, and Microsoft >> employees are in charge of directing and deleting >> the discussion as they see fit. (Some of the groups, >> like VB programming, are just being dumped altogether. >> I'm not sure if there's a group specifically for VBS >> in the new forums.) >> >> The groups still exist on most servers because >> Usenet is decentralized, but people going through >> msnews must switch to another server. I'm using >> eternal-september.org, which is continuing to carry >> Microsoft groups. Many ISPs still continue to carry >> them. (It looks like you're going through your ISP >> and probably won't have to worry about it.) >> >> I think we just have to count our blessings. We may >> be stuck with the Kenneth A Larsens of the world, >> but at least we're free to discuss. >> >> Come to think of it, maybe "Kenneth A Larsen" is an >> attempt by MS lackeys to make the newsgroups unpleasant. >> On the bright side, he doesn't post anything of relevance >> so there's no need to check his posts at all. >> >>OK! > >
From: Kenneth A. Larsen on 3 Aug 2010 09:31 "Kenneth A. Larsen" <kuhlpc#2(a)optimum.net> wrote in message news:%2393nx%23wMLHA.2232(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > > "Kenneth A. Larsen" <kuhlpc#2(a)optimum.net> wrote in message > news:%23ymAb6wMLHA.1996(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> >> "Mayayana" <mayayana(a)invalid.nospam> wrote in message >> news:i36g3u$c3l$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>| Larsen the pest I mean >>> >>> I think Microsoft is gone by now. Most of the >>> newsgroups have already been shut down on >>> the MS server. Have you not seen the notices >>> posted here? The msnews.microsoft.com NNTP >>> server is closing down. Microsoft wants to control >>> the discussion of their products. They've set up >>> [unusable] web forums where people are required >>> to get a LiveID "tracking collar, and Microsoft >>> employees are in charge of directing and deleting >>> the discussion as they see fit. (Some of the groups, >>> like VB programming, are just being dumped altogether. >>> I'm not sure if there's a group specifically for VBS >>> in the new forums.) >>> >>> The groups still exist on most servers because >>> Usenet is decentralized, but people going through >>> msnews must switch to another server. I'm using >>> eternal-september.org, which is continuing to carry >>> Microsoft groups. Many ISPs still continue to carry >>> them. (It looks like you're going through your ISP >>> and probably won't have to worry about it.) >>> >>> I think we just have to count our blessings. We may >>> be stuck with the Kenneth A Larsens of the world, >>> but at least we're free to discuss. >>> >>> Come to think of it, maybe "Kenneth A Larsen" is an >>> attempt by MS lackeys to make the newsgroups unpleasant. >>> On the bright side, he doesn't post anything of relevance >>> so there's no need to check his posts at all. >>> >>>OK! >> >> > >
From: Kenneth A. Larsen on 3 Aug 2010 09:30 "Kenneth A. Larsen" <kuhlpc#2(a)optimum.net> wrote in message news:%23ymAb6wMLHA.1996(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > > "Mayayana" <mayayana(a)invalid.nospam> wrote in message > news:i36g3u$c3l$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>| Larsen the pest I mean >> >> I think Microsoft is gone by now. Most of the >> newsgroups have already been shut down on >> the MS server. Have you not seen the notices >> posted here? The msnews.microsoft.com NNTP >> server is closing down. Microsoft wants to control >> the discussion of their products. They've set up >> [unusable] web forums where people are required >> to get a LiveID "tracking collar, and Microsoft >> employees are in charge of directing and deleting >> the discussion as they see fit. (Some of the groups, >> like VB programming, are just being dumped altogether. >> I'm not sure if there's a group specifically for VBS >> in the new forums.) >> >> The groups still exist on most servers because >> Usenet is decentralized, but people going through >> msnews must switch to another server. I'm using >> eternal-september.org, which is continuing to carry >> Microsoft groups. Many ISPs still continue to carry >> them. (It looks like you're going through your ISP >> and probably won't have to worry about it.) >> >> I think we just have to count our blessings. We may >> be stuck with the Kenneth A Larsens of the world, >> but at least we're free to discuss. >> >> Come to think of it, maybe "Kenneth A Larsen" is an >> attempt by MS lackeys to make the newsgroups unpleasant. >> On the bright side, he doesn't post anything of relevance >> so there's no need to check his posts at all. >> >>OK! > >
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