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From: SteveH on 20 Dec 2009 06:11
Dave C. wrote:

> I think it is wrong to put the power supply in the bottom of an ATX
> case. It's just plain stupid to design a box that most customers will
> have a problem with. -Dave

Do you make a habit of talking bollocks in every post?

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SteveH


From: SteveH on 20 Dec 2009 09:05
Dave C. wrote:
>>> I think it is wrong to put the power supply in the bottom of an ATX
>>> case. It's just plain stupid to design a box that most customers
>>> will have a problem with. -Dave
>>
>> Wrong... Why? Other then the cable length issue, what's your
>> objection?
>
> You need a shitload of extra fans (adding extra noise) to
> counter-balance the fact that much of your cool intake air is going in
> the wrong direction to cool anything. -Dave

Complete and utter rubbish. You just need a properly designed case and
system.

We have two systems running here in Antec P180's (PSU in the bottom).
One has a Q6600 the other a C2D e6750. I doubt if you stood anywhere in this
room with a decibel meter, it would register anything much (if anything).
Yet both CPU's are running at <35c
I suggest before making stupid comments, you actually take the time to have
a look at some of these cases.
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SteveH


From: SteveH on 20 Dec 2009 09:07
Dave C. wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 11:11:28 GMT
> "SteveH" <steve.houghREMOVE(a)THISblueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Dave C. wrote:
>>
>>> I think it is wrong to put the power supply in the bottom of an ATX
>>> case. It's just plain stupid to design a box that most customers
>>> will have a problem with. -Dave
>>
>> Do you make a habit of talking bollocks in every post?
>>
>> --
>> SteveH
>
> Do you know how many people complain about their brand new power
> supply not fitting their case because the power supply is mounted on
> the bottom?

And whose fault is that? The case maker or the builder for not checking
specs in the first place?

It seems at least 9 out of 10 builds with these oddball
> cases, the first problem that needs to be ironed out is that the
> cables won't reach where they need to go.

See above

Some few builders do their
> research carefully enough to avoid the problem...or they get lucky
> and the PSU they chose just (coincidentally) turned out to be one
> that fits OK. But the bottom mount really does create problems for
> builders...

Never created a problem for me.

especially inexperienced ones.

This is how they gain experience.

-Dave



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SteveH


From: Ken Maltby on 20 Dec 2009 01:37

"ShadowTek" <ShadowTek(a)invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:slrnhirfru.lf2.ShadowTek(a)shadowtek.localdomain...
> On 2009-12-19, Dave C. <noway(a)nohow.never> wrote:
>>
>> I think it is wrong to put the power supply in the bottom of an ATX
>> case. It's just plain stupid to design a box that most customers will
>> have a problem with. -Dave
>
> For $70, I wouldn't have been any skin off their back to toss in an
> extention adapter. Although, I think the *best* solution would be to
> include
> cable length measurements with the PS stats, which would allow a person
> to measure beforehand, and buy an extention seperately if needed.
>
> Actually, it seems like a better idea to put PSs on the bottom, thus
> keeping the heaviest component as low as possible. It make the case less
> like to tip over if hit, and it also makes the case more stable to
> handle when you have to carry it somewhere.
>
> I'm not sure if there was any specific reasoning as to why they started
> off putting them on top in the first place, but *that* decision seems a
> little odd.

For my last upgrade and migration I used a couple of Antec 300s, and
have no problem with them or the fact that the PSU is on the bottom of
the case. I think the large fans on the top and at the back corner, setup a
very good airflow, better than what a PSU at the top would provide.

http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129042

Luck;
Ken


From: Grinder on 20 Dec 2009 17:25
On 12/19/2009 6:42 PM, Dave C. wrote:
>
>>> I think it is wrong to put the power supply in the bottom of an ATX
>>> case. It's just plain stupid to design a box that most customers
>>> will have a problem with. -Dave
>>
>> Wrong... Why? Other then the cable length issue, what's your
>> objection?
>
> You need a shitload of extra fans (adding extra noise) to
> counter-balance the fact that much of your cool intake air is going in
> the wrong direction to cool anything. -Dave

The Antec Three Hundred is a bottom-mounted-psu case, and it has two
160mm fans, at right angles, a few centimeters from the cpu. The bottom
front of the case is well-ventilated and has room for a couple of
massive fans as well.

I've built a few systems with the case. I leave the three-speed fans on
low, which keeps that very quiet, and the temps don't make it to, or
over, 40C.

Do I need a shitload (or even a fraction of a shitload) of fans to put
those systems right?


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