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From: BURT on 28 Dec 2007 20:01 Light is blueshifted on its way into gravity. Light is redshifted on its way out. The frequency does not change. It is a time rate that changes that causes the energy change to light It's energy is its absolute frequency multiplied by Planck's constant wherein the time term is slower time. Slow time as part of Planck's constant increases its value. Pound Rebka is Energy equals frequency multiplied by Planck's constant with a changing time term. MItch Raemsch -- Light fell --
From: Dono on 28 Dec 2007 20:07 On Dec 28, 5:01 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Light is blueshifted on its way into gravity. > Light is redshifted on its way out. > > The frequency does not change. It is a time rate that changes that > causes the energy change to light It's energy is its absolute > frequency multiplied by Planck's constant wherein the time term is > slower time. > > Slow time as part of Planck's constant increases its value. > > Pound Rebka is Energy equals frequency multiplied by Planck's constant > with a changing time term. > MItch Raemsch -- Light fell -- http://www.dkimages.com/discover/previews/855/35092155.JPG
From: Eric Gisse on 28 Dec 2007 20:52 On Dec 28, 4:01 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Light is blueshifted on its way into gravity. > Light is redshifted on its way out. > > The frequency does not change. It is a time rate that changes that > causes the energy change to light It's energy is its absolute > frequency multiplied by Planck's constant wherein the time term is > slower time. > > Slow time as part of Planck's constant increases its value. > > Pound Rebka is Energy equals frequency multiplied by Planck's constant > with a changing time term. > MItch Raemsch -- Light fell -- cmon dipshit hit 1000 posts before new years
From: Pentcho Valev on 29 Dec 2007 03:39 On Dec 29, 3:01 am, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote in sci.physics: > Light is blueshifted on its way into gravity. > Light is redshifted on its way out. Sometimes even Einsteinians explain this correctly: http://www.blazelabs.com/f-g-gcont.asp "The first confirmation of a long range variation in the speed of light travelling in space came in 1964. Irwin Shapiro, it seems, was the first to make use of a previously forgotten facet of general relativity theory -- that the speed of light is reduced when it passes through a gravitational field....Faced with this evidence, Einstein stated:"In the second place our result shows that, according to the general theory of relativity, the law of the constancy of the velocity of light in vacuo, which constitutes one of the two fundamental assumptions in the special theory of relativity and to which we have already frequently referred, cannot claim any unlimited validity. A curvature of rays of light can only take place when the velocity of propagation of light varies with position."......Today we find that since the Special Theory of Relativity unfortunately became part of the so called mainstream science, it is considered a sacrilege to even suggest that the speed of light be anything other than a constant. This is somewhat surprising since even Einstein himself suggested in a paper "On the Influence of Gravitation on the Propagation of Light," Annalen der Physik, 35, 1911, that the speed of light might vary with the gravitational potential. Indeed, the variation of the speed of light in a vacuum or space is explicitly shown in Einstein's calculation for the angle at which light should bend upon the influence of gravity. One can find his calculation in his paper. The result is c'=c(1+V/c^2) where V is the gravitational potential relative to the point where the measurement is taken. 1+V/c^2 is also known as the GRAVITATIONAL REDSHIFT FACTOR." Pentcho Valev pvalev(a)yahoo.com
From: Pentcho Valev on 30 Dec 2007 02:06
On Dec 29, 10:39 am, Pentcho Valev <pva...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Dec 29, 3:01 am, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote in sci.physics: > > > Light is blueshifted on its way into gravity. > > Light is redshifted on its way out. > > Sometimes even Einsteinians explain this correctly: > > http://www.blazelabs.com/f-g-gcont.asp"The first confirmation of a > long range variation in the speed of light travelling in space came in > 1964. Irwin Shapiro, it seems, was the first to make use of a > previously forgotten facet of general relativity theory -- that the > speed of light is reduced when it passes through a gravitational > field....Faced with this evidence, Einstein stated:"In the second > place our result shows that, according to the general theory of > relativity, the law of the constancy of the velocity of light in > vacuo, which constitutes one of the two fundamental assumptions in the > special theory of relativity and to which we have already frequently > referred, cannot claim any unlimited validity. A curvature of rays of > light can only take place when the velocity of propagation of light > varies with position."......Today we find that since the Special > Theory of Relativity unfortunately became part of the so called > mainstream science, it is considered a sacrilege to even suggest that > the speed of light be anything other than a constant. This is somewhat > surprising since even Einstein himself suggested in a paper "On the > Influence of Gravitation on the Propagation of Light," Annalen der > Physik, 35, 1911, that the speed of light might vary with the > gravitational potential. Indeed, the variation of the speed of light > in a vacuum or space is explicitly shown in Einstein's calculation for > the angle at which light should bend upon the influence of gravity. > One can find his calculation in his paper. The result is c'=c(1+V/c^2) > where V is the gravitational potential relative to the point where the > measurement is taken. 1+V/c^2 is also known as the GRAVITATIONAL > REDSHIFT FACTOR." Pound and Rebka found experimentally that the GRAVITATIONAL REDSHIFT obeys the equation f'=f(1+V/c^2), which is consistent with Einstein's 1911 equation c'=c(1+V/c^2) and the textbook formula frequency = (speed of light)/(wavelength) In fact, it is this textbook formula that made the creation of Einstein zombie world absolutely necessary - in any other world the transition from this formula to the conclusion that the speed of light is variable and obeys the equivalent equations c'=c(1+V/c^2) and c'=c +v would be obvious. In Einstein zombie world half of the Einsteinians fiercely teach that, in a gravitational field, the speed of light is CONSTANT: http://www.astronomynotes.com/relativity/s4.htm "Prediction: light escaping from a large mass should lose energy---the wavelength must increase since the speed of light is constant. Stronger surface gravity produces a greater increase in the wavelength. This is a consequence of time dilation. Suppose person A on the massive object decides to send light of a specific frequency f to person B all of the time. So every second, f wave crests leave person A. The same wave crests are received by person B in an interval of time interval of (1+z) seconds. He receives the waves at a frequency of f/(1+z). Remember that the speed of light c = (the frequency f) (the wavelength L). If the frequency is reduced by (1+z) times, the wavelength must INcrease by (1+z) times: L_atB = (1+z) L_atA. In the doppler effect, this lengthening of the wavelength is called a redshift. For gravity, the effect is called a GRAVITATIONAL REDSHIFT." http://helios.gsfc.nasa.gov/qa_sp_gr.html "Is light affected by gravity? If so, how can the speed of light be constant? Wouldn't the light coming off of the Sun be slower than the light we make here? If not, why doesn't light escape a black hole? Yes, light is affected by gravity, but not in its speed. General Relativity (our best guess as to how the Universe works) gives two effects of gravity on light. It can bend light (which includes effects such as gravitational lensing), and it can change the energy of light. But it changes the energy by shifting the frequency of the light (gravitational redshift) not by changing light speed. Gravity bends light by warping space so that what the light beam sees as "straight" is not straight to an outside observer. The speed of light is still constant." Dr. Eric Christian When Einstein zombies have already learned by rote that the speed of light is always CONSTANT, teaching that it is VARIABLE, that is teaching the truth, can only increase the confusion: http://www.math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SpeedOfLight/speed_of_light.html "Einstein went on to discover a more general theory of relativity which explained gravity in terms of curved spacetime, and he talked about the speed of light changing in this new theory. In the 1920 book "Relativity: the special and general theory" he wrote: ". . .according to the general theory of relativity, the law of the constancy of the velocity of light in vacuo, which constitutes one of the two fundamental assumptions in the special theory of relativity [. . .] cannot claim any unlimited validity. A curvature of rays of light can only take place when the velocity of propagation of light varies with position." Since Einstein talks of velocity (a vector quantity: speed with direction) rather than speed alone, it is not clear that he meant the speed will change, but the reference to special relativity suggests that he did mean so." http://www.physlink.com/Education/AskExperts/ae13.cfm "So, it is absolutely true that the speed of light is _not_ constant in a gravitational field [which, by the equivalence principle, applies as well to accelerating (non-inertial) frames of reference]. If this were not so, there would be no bending of light by the gravitational field of stars....Indeed, this is exactly how Einstein did the calculation in: 'On the Influence of Gravitation on the Propagation of Light,' Annalen der Physik, 35, 1911. which predated the full formal development of general relativity by about four years. This paper is widely available in English. You can find a copy beginning on page 99 of the Dover book 'The Principle of Relativity.' You will find in section 3 of that paper, Einstein's derivation of the (variable) speed of light in a gravitational potential, eqn (3). The result is, c' = c0 ( 1 + V / c^2 ) where V is the gravitational potential relative to the point where the speed of light c0 is measured." Pentcho Valev pvalev(a)yahoo.com |