Problem with WordPad all of a sudden.
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From: Baron on 17 Dec 2009 15:01 THEO(a)TO. Inscribed thus: > On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 12:04:04 -0500, "- Bobb -" <bobb(a)noemail.123> > wrote: > >>>><THEO(a)TO.> wrote in message >>>>news:n29gi5llnua87860di56o3mekbjbcq370c(a)4ax.com... >>>>> It's not really a Notepad icon after all, but it is a text icon >>>>> just white with black lines and the spiral looking thing across >>>>> the top. >>>>> >>>> >>>>That spiral icon IS wordpad. >>> >>> Oh. My bad. It does say it's wordpad, but still does the text >>> only thing. >>> >>>>> I right clicked on a WordPad icon and selected Run as... >>>> >>>>WHY did you do that ? >>>>"Run as... " means to RUN the program AS another user. >>>>Reread previous message - in explorer , you want to "Open With" . >>> >>> I've done that a number of times. There are two versions of >>> wordpad on this machine >> >>WHY ? > > A lot of the docs I have were made on an older version of Windows > like 95 or 98, and when I started using this computer it kept > telling me it couldn't open Word something or other documents > which they were not, but it wouldn't open them with wordpad. So I > copied the version of wordpad I had from the old computer and > used it to open them with. It worked fine for years until all of > a sudden. > >>How do you know ? > > Because it gives me two choices when I select open with. They > have different icons. > >>If they are different - rename "the new one" to wordpad/new for now >>( BTW, this is getting too involved to contnue this way) >> >>> and I've opened it with both of them, and >>> with the same result. Going to File Types, DOC files open with >>> wordpad and there is only the one listing of DOC files which is >>> what these are. >> >>Listen to me - for the next 30 minutes: FORGET that " I used to ..." , >>forget that "they end in .DOC" >> >>Make a file abc.xyz and right-click "OPEN WITH" >>choose Wordpad. Now "do your thing" /paste etc. >>Does it work ? >>YES - great >>NO = it's not an extension problem ( .doc) it's a program problem and >>messing with .doc vs xyz vs abc won't change it. > > Both versions of wordpad are 5.1. The version that was on this pc > wouldn't open the old .docs I loaded into it, so I put in the > older version of wordpad from my old computer and it worked great > until recently. Then it quit working for all of the docs it had > been opening fine before. I tried making new docs with the > version I loaded from the old pc and now it keeps having > "unexpected" problems or just fails to respond leaving the hour > glass icon hanging around, and sometimes it gives this messag: > > You are about to save the document in a Text-Only format, which > will remove all formatting. Are you sure you want to do this? > > I made docs with the new version and it seems to work fine, but > it won't open the docs made with the version from my old pc. > Neither will the old version any more, but it had been working > fine. At the moment it looks like I can make docs as I have been > with the version that was already on here, but can't use the > older ones made with the older version any more. I don't want to > lose them. > > Why would wordpad not open wordpad docs to begin with? I used > wordpad to make things like that specifically trying to avoid > this sort of problem because every pc has wordpad, so it should > always be easy to few my docs. But this pc said it couldn't open > Word...whatever so I loaded wordpad from my old pc and opened > them with that and it worked fine for year up until now. All of > this is EXACTLY what I was deliberately trying to avoid by using > a common program like wordpad to make docs with pic in them... > >>>>Did you copy/paint " google icon" as I did ? >>>>Did that work ? >>> >>> I copied a .jpg and pasted it into a paint document, >> >>not just " a JPG" - to clarify: >>DO EXACTLY WHAT FAILS IN WORDPAD. >>Did you ? >>If you want to copy while online and paste into wordpad, then "copy >>while online and paste into " PAINT. if same BAD icon then it's not >>the paint/wordpad program - it's the INPUT. >>Get it - you need to determine : >>Is it a bad picture ? ( via IE or java or whatever) >>or is it a program problem ? >> >>> but I still >>> want to be able to go back to doing it with wordpad since I've >>> already got a bunch of wordpad documents that used to work fine >>> and then all of a sudden stopped working. Something changed. How >>> do you put text in paint docs, btw? >>> >>Choose the TEXT icon ( I'm not being funny - you'll see a "big A" - >>click it >>for a text box) >>This isn't an online course - please just try "paint vs wordpad". >> >>> I tried copying the info from one of the wordpad docs and pasting >>> it into a paint doc to see if that would work, but it didn't. >>> >>WHAT ? Huh ? > > I opened one of the docs that used to work fine but now does not > and copied everything from it, then pasted it into a paint doc to > see if that would somehow end up showing it like it used to, but > it didn't. I tried the same thing loading it into a doc made with > the later version of wordpad and that didn't work either. I hate > to lose all those old docs all of a sudden for no apparent > reason, but so far that's what looks like is going to > happen...exactly what I've been trying to avoid since before I > ever had the first problem with it... > >>> Does wordpad actually display the images that are pasted into it, >>> or is it another program that's responsible for making images >>> look like images in wordpad docs? >>> Didn't the early "Wordpad" have a 64K file size limit. -- Best Regards: Baron.
From: - Bobb - on 17 Dec 2009 16:07 To confirm your problem that was posted here: you wanted to save a picture from a webpage, so you " used to" right-click/copy the picture, then PASTE into wordpad. Right ? That's all I was trying to help you with. If you have problems with "RTF files" ( wordpad documents) that's a whole 'nother topic. So don't conFUSE me ! Is the "picture thing" OK ? As for "the old wordpad documents", what are their file extensions ? Are they PICTURES or TEXT ? HAD you saved them with "filename.RTF" extension ? And you COULD read them before - but not now ? copy one - open it on another PC - does it open / look ok there ? This should become a new thread. <THEO(a)TO.> wrote in message news:tbjki55fog0qrj2fi9urrvoklmah7v7bfc(a)4ax.com... > On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 12:04:04 -0500, "- Bobb -" <bobb(a)noemail.123> > wrote: > >>>><THEO(a)TO.> wrote in message >>>>news:n29gi5llnua87860di56o3mekbjbcq370c(a)4ax.com... >>>>> It's not really a Notepad icon after all, but it is a text icon >>>>> just white with black lines and the spiral looking thing across >>>>> the top. >>>>> >>>> >>>>That spiral icon IS wordpad. >>> >>> Oh. My bad. It does say it's wordpad, but still does the text >>> only thing. >>> >>>>> I right clicked on a WordPad icon and selected Run as... >>>> >>>>WHY did you do that ? >>>>"Run as... " means to RUN the program AS another user. >>>>Reread previous message - in explorer , you want to "Open With" . >>> >>> I've done that a number of times. There are two versions of >>> wordpad on this machine >> >>WHY ? > > A lot of the docs I have were made on an older version of Windows > like 95 or 98, and when I started using this computer it kept > telling me it couldn't open Word something or other documents > which they were not, but it wouldn't open them with wordpad. So I > copied the version of wordpad I had from the old computer and > used it to open them with. It worked fine for years until all of > a sudden. > >>How do you know ? > > Because it gives me two choices when I select open with. They > have different icons. > >>If they are different - rename "the new one" to wordpad/new for now >>( BTW, this is getting too involved to contnue this way) >> >>> and I've opened it with both of them, and >>> with the same result. Going to File Types, DOC files open with >>> wordpad and there is only the one listing of DOC files which is >>> what these are. >> >>Listen to me - for the next 30 minutes: FORGET that " I used to ..." , >>forget that "they end in .DOC" >> >>Make a file abc.xyz and right-click "OPEN WITH" >>choose Wordpad. Now "do your thing" /paste etc. >>Does it work ? >>YES - great >>NO = it's not an extension problem ( .doc) it's a program problem and >>messing with .doc vs xyz vs abc won't change it. > > Both versions of wordpad are 5.1. The version that was on this pc > wouldn't open the old .docs I loaded into it, so I put in the > older version of wordpad from my old computer and it worked great > until recently. Then it quit working for all of the docs it had > been opening fine before. I tried making new docs with the > version I loaded from the old pc and now it keeps having > "unexpected" problems or just fails to respond leaving the hour > glass icon hanging around, and sometimes it gives this messag: > > You are about to save the document in a Text-Only format, which > will remove all formatting. Are you sure you want to do this? > > I made docs with the new version and it seems to work fine, but > it won't open the docs made with the version from my old pc. > Neither will the old version any more, but it had been working > fine. At the moment it looks like I can make docs as I have been > with the version that was already on here, but can't use the > older ones made with the older version any more. I don't want to > lose them. > > Why would wordpad not open wordpad docs to begin with? I used > wordpad to make things like that specifically trying to avoid > this sort of problem because every pc has wordpad, so it should > always be easy to few my docs. But this pc said it couldn't open > Word...whatever so I loaded wordpad from my old pc and opened > them with that and it worked fine for year up until now. All of > this is EXACTLY what I was deliberately trying to avoid by using > a common program like wordpad to make docs with pic in them... > >>>>Did you copy/paint " google icon" as I did ? >>>>Did that work ? >>> >>> I copied a .jpg and pasted it into a paint document, >> >>not just " a JPG" - to clarify: >>DO EXACTLY WHAT FAILS IN WORDPAD. >>Did you ? >>If you want to copy while online and paste into wordpad, then "copy while >>online and paste into " PAINT. if same BAD icon then it's not the >>paint/wordpad program - it's the INPUT. >>Get it - you need to determine : >>Is it a bad picture ? ( via IE or java or whatever) >>or is it a program problem ? >> >>> but I still >>> want to be able to go back to doing it with wordpad since I've >>> already got a bunch of wordpad documents that used to work fine >>> and then all of a sudden stopped working. Something changed. How >>> do you put text in paint docs, btw? >>> >>Choose the TEXT icon ( I'm not being funny - you'll see a "big A" - click >>it >>for a text box) >>This isn't an online course - please just try "paint vs wordpad". >> >>> I tried copying the info from one of the wordpad docs and pasting >>> it into a paint doc to see if that would work, but it didn't. >>> >>WHAT ? Huh ? > > I opened one of the docs that used to work fine but now does not > and copied everything from it, then pasted it into a paint doc to > see if that would somehow end up showing it like it used to, but > it didn't. I tried the same thing loading it into a doc made with > the later version of wordpad and that didn't work either. I hate > to lose all those old docs all of a sudden for no apparent > reason, but so far that's what looks like is going to > happen...exactly what I've been trying to avoid since before I > ever had the first problem with it... > >>> Does wordpad actually display the images that are pasted into it, >>> or is it another program that's responsible for making images >>> look like images in wordpad docs? >>>
From: THEO on 22 Dec 2009 09:31 On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:07:05 -0500, "- Bobb -" <bobb(a)noemail.123> wrote: >To confirm your problem that was posted here: >you wanted to save a picture from a webpage, so you " used to" >right-click/copy the picture, then PASTE into wordpad. Right ? >That's all I was trying to help you with. I can still do it that way, but can't open old ones that I used to be able to open. >If you have problems with "RTF files" ( wordpad documents) that's a whole >'nother topic. >So don't conFUSE me ! > >Is the "picture thing" OK ? Now I can't open .jpgs as I used to be able to do. I can open LView and make a .jpg, but can't open it after it's made. I can copy and paste an image into wordpad and open that, but can no longer open older wordpad docs I made before whatever happened happened, and can no longer open .jpgs. Now when I try to open ..jpgs which I used to be able to do, I get the message: .. . .jpg is not a valid Win32 application >As for "the old wordpad documents", what are their file extensions ? Are >they PICTURES or TEXT ? They are wordpad documents with pictures pasted into them. There is also plenty of text as well as the pictures, which is one reason I like using wordpad. That and because it should be "easy" to open wordpad docs on any pc. So they are wordpad documents with both pictures and text. Their extension is .doc though I have made copies of some and changed them to .rtf to see if that would work, and it did nothing. >HAD you saved them with "filename.RTF" extension ? No. They were .docs and they used to work fine, then after they quit working all of a sudden I tried making copies and changing the to .rtfs..... >And you COULD read them before - but not now ? Absolutely. >copy one - open it on another PC - does it open / look ok there ? >This should become a new thread. I've tried opening them on later model computers and got a message like: can not open word for windows ... documents, or something like that. They are and always have been wordpad documents.
From: THEO on 23 Dec 2009 12:05 On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 17:20:02 -0500, "- Bobb -" <bobb(a)noemail.123> wrote: >> the message: >> ". . .jpg is not a valid Win32 application " > >That's true - jpg is NOT an application . > >Tells me that YOU have associated filetype of .jpg with a PROGRAM called " >jpg " >THAT is WRONG , the Filename should be ... 'MSpaint.exe ', 'Windows Picture >viewer ', some PROGRAM. >SO: > >#1 Go to another PC that works normally and check filetype >.jpg >and >.doc >and compare the 2 pc's - that's your problem. > >.jpg files OK now ? On this computer in File Types it says they should open with LView, but they don't have an LView icon. Instead they have a Netscape icon of some sort. I can open LView and then open .jpgs and .jpegs from there, but I can't select Open With and then select LView and get them to open that way. Trying it that way just brings up the ". . .jpg is not a valid Win32 application " message. >Yes = continue >No = go to step #1 > >> I've tried opening them on later model computers and got a >> message like: can not open word for windows ... documents, or >> something like that. They are and always have been wordpad >> documents. > >The later PC has an association between .doc and WORD aka 'Microsoft word >for windows' ( the default for .doc files for years) > >I still do not know: so tell me - yes or no - ALL of these .doc files that >don't work now - are they all PICTURES ? Not all of them have pictures, but most do. Now I've learned that I can open one of the screwed up docs, paste a .jpg into it and save it, and when I re-open it there's the screwed up mess AND the new .jpg I pasted in. >If in fact the version of wordpad that you used was specific to Windows 98 So does each version of Windows have a different version of wordpad that doesn't work well with different versions of Windows? If they did that why wouldn't they at least make it so newer versions can read things made with older versions, even though they couldn't go back in time to make older versions able to read things made with newer versions? >( for example) , AND you deleted it from the PC, can you put on a floppy and >try one on a Win98 pc ? > >That's enough for now. >Try it and let us know.
From: - Bobb - on 22 Dec 2009 17:20 > the message: > ". . .jpg is not a valid Win32 application " That's true - jpg is NOT an application . Tells me that YOU have associated filetype of .jpg with a PROGRAM called " jpg " THAT is WRONG , the Filename should be ... 'MSpaint.exe ', 'Windows Picture viewer ', some PROGRAM. SO: #1 Go to another PC that works normally and check filetype ..jpg and ..doc and compare the 2 pc's - that's your problem. ..jpg files OK now ? Yes = continue No = go to step #1 > I've tried opening them on later model computers and got a > message like: can not open word for windows ... documents, or > something like that. They are and always have been wordpad > documents. The later PC has an association between .doc and WORD aka 'Microsoft word for windows' ( the default for .doc files for years) I still do not know: so tell me - yes or no - ALL of these .doc files that don't work now - are they all PICTURES ? If in fact the version of wordpad that you used was specific to Windows 98 ( for example) , AND you deleted it from the PC, can you put on a floppy and try one on a Win98 pc ? That's enough for now. Try it and let us know. ================== <THEO(a)TO.> wrote in message news:76l1j5l4dqgnfosj3vica32jilnnjqavia(a)4ax.com... > On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:07:05 -0500, "- Bobb -" <bobb(a)noemail.123> > wrote: > >>To confirm your problem that was posted here: >>you wanted to save a picture from a webpage, so you " used to" >>right-click/copy the picture, then PASTE into wordpad. Right ? >>That's all I was trying to help you with. > > I can still do it that way, but can't open old ones that I used > to be able to open. ==== Sorry, but I'm gonna ask specifc questions that need specific answers from here on: so ONLY answer the question - exactly OK ? Until now you have gone into "file types area with look at what program opens etc, so Your problems ONLY relate now to file with extension of .doc ? Has office ever been installed on this PC? ( MS Office associates .doc with WORD so if Office WAS on there and then removed you'd get a I think you know but the file EXTENSION determeines which prgram opens the file. By defualt Windows comes with certain defaults. Seems to me that you have chnaged Windows defualt settings to "something else" in the past and are going down a rathole. So, forget that doc USED to work for now. As a review, whether it is ".doc" or ".xyz" all that happens is that Windows goes to a table to see " what file do I use to open this filetype? ". If it did NOT do that every time you try to use a file it would ask " what file do I use to open this file? " So you USED to have doc associated with SOME program. IF that program was removed / deleted from your PC, it needs to get reinstalled. If you're with me so far: Now that .jpg is fixed .... When you look at filetypes, do you now only have one listing for .doc ? What program is the default program opened ? when you look at details, is there a CHANGE box on that screen ? If so click it and look at alternative programs. What programs are listed ? Check jpg file extension - what is defualt ? Do you remember what is USED to be - is that program available when you clikc CHANGE > >>If you have problems with "RTF files" ( wordpad documents) that's a whole >>'nother topic. >>So don't conFUSE me ! >> >>Is the "picture thing" OK ? > > Now I can't open .jpgs as I used to be able to do. I can open > LView and make a .jpg, but can't open it after it's made. I can > copy and paste an image into wordpad and open that, but can no > longer open older wordpad docs I made before whatever happened > happened, and can no longer open .jpgs. Now when I try to open > .jpgs which I used to be able to do, I get the message: > > . . .jpg is not a valid Win32 application > >>As for "the old wordpad documents", what are their file extensions ? Are >>they PICTURES or TEXT ? > > They are wordpad documents with pictures pasted into them. There > is also plenty of text as well as the pictures, which is one > reason I like using wordpad. That and because it should be "easy" > to open wordpad docs on any pc. So they are wordpad documents > with both pictures and text. Their extension is .doc though I > have made copies of some and changed them to .rtf to see if that > would work, and it did nothing. > >>HAD you saved them with "filename.RTF" extension ? > > No. They were .docs and they used to work fine, then after they > quit working all of a sudden I tried making copies and changing > the to .rtfs..... > >>And you COULD read them before - but not now ? > > Absolutely. > >>copy one - open it on another PC - does it open / look ok there ? >>This should become a new thread. > > I've tried opening them on later model computers and got a > message like: can not open word for windows ... documents, or > something like that. They are and always have been wordpad > documents.
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