Proposed and Past Experiments Detecting Absolute Motion
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From: PD on 1 Jun 2010 09:49 On May 31, 8:09 am, kenseto <kens...(a)erinet.com> wrote: > On May 29, 11:52 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On May 29, 8:29 am, kenseto <kens...(a)erinet.com> wrote: > > > > Proposed and Past Experiments Detecting Absolute Motion: > > > The following link descibes a new doable experiment to detect absolute > > > motion. Also included are new interpretions for the results of past > > > experiments caused by absolute motion: The Photoelectric Experiment > > > and the Double-Slit Experiment.http://www.modelmechanics.org/2008experiment.pdf > > > > Ken Seto > > > The experimental proposal is completely inadequate. > > You are an idiot runt of the SRians. Sorry, Ken, what I've told you is a basic fact. There are certain quality criteria for an experimental proposal, expected of ANYONE. Pouting and sulking that it is expected of you too won't accomplish anything. You're not being persecuted if all that's expected is that you do the same as anyone else.
From: BURT on 1 Jun 2010 14:59 On Jun 1, 6:49 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On May 31, 8:09 am, kenseto <kens...(a)erinet.com> wrote: > > > On May 29, 11:52 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On May 29, 8:29 am, kenseto <kens...(a)erinet.com> wrote: > > > > > Proposed and Past Experiments Detecting Absolute Motion: > > > > The following link descibes a new doable experiment to detect absolute > > > > motion. Also included are new interpretions for the results of past > > > > experiments caused by absolute motion: The Photoelectric Experiment > > > > and the Double-Slit Experiment.http://www.modelmechanics.org/2008experiment.pdf > > > > > Ken Seto > > > > The experimental proposal is completely inadequate. > > > You are an idiot runt of the SRians. > > Sorry, Ken, what I've told you is a basic fact. There are certain > quality criteria for an experimental proposal, expected of ANYONE. > Pouting and sulking that it is expected of you too won't accomplish > anything. You're not being persecuted if all that's expected is that > you do the same as anyone else. When speed is created there is detectability of weight. Mitch Raemsch
From: YKhan on 1 Jun 2010 16:00 On May 31, 7:04 pm, kenseto <kens...(a)erinet.com> wrote: > The MMX failed to detect absolute motion because the speed of light is > isotropic in the same gravitational potential....as i pointed out in > the paper, if the MMX is performed with the plane of the arms oriented > vertically then it will be able to detect fringe shift due to > gravitational red shift. Such modified MMX will be able to confirm > that the speed of light in the vertical direction is not c as asserted > by relativity. Yes, I read that in your paper. It might be a valid argument -- if the Earth were the *only* source of gravity in the entire Universe. But as it turns out, we live in a Universe with many other big, powerful, and local gravity sources, such as the Sun and the Moon. If these two objects are big enough to raise tides on the Earth, then I am sure they can cause "the needles" to go off in an MMX (metaphorical, no real needles are used). When the Sun or the Moon are on the horizon of these various modern MMX apparatus, then their gravity is aligned with the arms of these experiments. During this time, all sorts of shifts should be seen. > My proposed experiments will reveal the length of the path of the > laser traced out on the photographic paper before it settled on the > final spot. The length of this path in combination with the > Pythagorean Theorum will give us the absolute motion of the > photographic paper. > > Ken Seto Uh, you do realize that that's not how the MM experiments work, right? The laser doesn't ever shift its position, like some vibration meter. All they're looking for is a change in the interference patterns between the lights coming from the two arms of the experiment. Yousuf Khan
From: Androcles on 1 Jun 2010 16:35 "YKhan" <yjkhan(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:fc447a6e-3c5b-49a9-a12f-929bb53617db(a)t14g2000prm.googlegroups.com... On May 31, 7:04 pm, kenseto <kens...(a)erinet.com> wrote: > The MMX failed to detect absolute motion because the speed of light is > isotropic in the same gravitational potential....as i pointed out in > the paper, if the MMX is performed with the plane of the arms oriented > vertically then it will be able to detect fringe shift due to > gravitational red shift. Such modified MMX will be able to confirm > that the speed of light in the vertical direction is not c as asserted > by relativity. Yes, I read that in your paper. It might be a valid argument -- if the Earth were the *only* source of gravity in the entire Universe. But as it turns out, we live in a Universe with many other big, powerful, and local gravity sources, such as the Sun and the Moon. If these two objects are big enough to raise tides on the Earth, then I am sure they can cause "the needles" to go off in an MMX (metaphorical, no real needles are used). When the Sun or the Moon are on the horizon of these various modern MMX apparatus, then their gravity is aligned with the arms of these experiments. During this time, all sorts of shifts should be seen. > My proposed experiments will reveal the length of the path of the > laser traced out on the photographic paper before it settled on the > final spot. The length of this path in combination with the > Pythagorean Theorum will give us the absolute motion of the > photographic paper. > > Ken Seto Uh, you do realize that that's not how the MM experiments work, right? The laser doesn't ever shift its position, like some vibration meter. All they're looking for is a change in the interference patterns between the lights coming from the two arms of the experiment. Yousuf Khan ================================================= Uh, you do realize that if you roll two balls along two chutes and if they leave together and arrive together, no matter what the shape of the paths may be, then "the same laws of electrodynamics and optics will be valid for all frames of reference for which the equations of mechanics hold good" but light is NEVER "propagated in empty space with a definite velocity c which is independent of the state of motion of the emitting body" no matter how much Einstein would like it to be?
From: Androcles on 1 Jun 2010 16:38
"YKhan" <yjkhan(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:fc447a6e-3c5b-49a9-a12f-929bb53617db(a)t14g2000prm.googlegroups.com... On May 31, 7:04 pm, kenseto <kens...(a)erinet.com> wrote: > The MMX failed to detect absolute motion because the speed of light is > isotropic in the same gravitational potential....as i pointed out in > the paper, if the MMX is performed with the plane of the arms oriented > vertically then it will be able to detect fringe shift due to > gravitational red shift. Such modified MMX will be able to confirm > that the speed of light in the vertical direction is not c as asserted > by relativity. Yes, I read that in your paper. It might be a valid argument -- if the Earth were the *only* source of gravity in the entire Universe. But as it turns out, we live in a Universe with many other big, powerful, and local gravity sources, such as the Sun and the Moon. If these two objects are big enough to raise tides on the Earth, then I am sure they can cause "the needles" to go off in an MMX (metaphorical, no real needles are used). When the Sun or the Moon are on the horizon of these various modern MMX apparatus, then their gravity is aligned with the arms of these experiments. During this time, all sorts of shifts should be seen. > My proposed experiments will reveal the length of the path of the > laser traced out on the photographic paper before it settled on the > final spot. The length of this path in combination with the > Pythagorean Theorum will give us the absolute motion of the > photographic paper. > > Ken Seto Uh, you do realize that that's not how the MM experiments work, right? The laser doesn't ever shift its position, like some vibration meter. All they're looking for is a change in the interference patterns between the lights coming from the two arms of the experiment. Yousuf Khan ================================================= Uh, you do realize that if you roll two balls along two chutes and if they leave together and arrive together, no matter what the shape of the paths or there orientation may be, then "the same laws of electrodynamics and optics will be valid for all frames of reference for which the equations of mechanics hold good" and this is exactly what MMX shows, but light is NEVER "propagated in empty space with a definite velocity c which is independent of the state of motion of the emitting body" no matter how much Einstein would like it to be? |