Quantum Gravity 340.1: U.K., USA, and Belarus Indicate Both Loop Quantum Gravity and Superstring/M Theory May Be Too Restrictive
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From: Y.Porat on 20 Oct 2009 03:09 On Oct 20, 7:58 am, OsherD <mdocto...(a)ca.rr.com> wrote: > From Osher Doctorow > > While geometry and topology seem to be nicely related to Probable > Causation/Influence (PI) from the last few posts, a good argument > seems plausible that PI rather than geometry and topology is "deeper". > > Is there any indication that LQG (Loop Quantum Gravity) and > Superstring/M-Theory are too restrictive? Yes, and it comes from > somewhat surprising sources. > > 1) D. V. Ahluwalia of Los Alamos National Laboratory, USA, who has 53 > papers in arXiv, largely on Quantum Gravity and (Elko) Dark Matter. > > 2) C. G. Boehmer of University College London U.K., who has 52 papers > in arXiv, including papers on the Einstein-Elko Dark Matter system and > Dark Matter as a Bose-Einstein condensate. > > 3) Michael A. Ivanov of Belarus State U. of Information and > Radioelectronics Minsk Belarus, who specializes on Non-Geometric > approaches to Quantum Gravity and has quite a few papers in arXiv. > > Another way to find papers on Non-Geometric theories of Quantum > Gravity is to look up the keywords "Non-Geometric" in arXiv, bringing > up 24 papers including by Ahluwalia and Ivanov . > > Osher Doctorow ----------------- and you can add on it (and probably above it .....) the 'Circlon' idea: a basic particle that moves naturally in curved paths ATB Y.Porat -----------------
From: Inertial on 20 Oct 2009 07:56 "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:90b04750-3fd7-488d-9e1e-282f577ededf(a)p23g2000vbl.googlegroups.com... > On Oct 20, 7:58 am, OsherD <mdocto...(a)ca.rr.com> wrote: >> From Osher Doctorow >> >> While geometry and topology seem to be nicely related to Probable >> Causation/Influence (PI) from the last few posts, a good argument >> seems plausible that PI rather than geometry and topology is "deeper". >> >> Is there any indication that LQG (Loop Quantum Gravity) and >> Superstring/M-Theory are too restrictive? Yes, and it comes from >> somewhat surprising sources. >> >> 1) D. V. Ahluwalia of Los Alamos National Laboratory, USA, who has 53 >> papers in arXiv, largely on Quantum Gravity and (Elko) Dark Matter. >> >> 2) C. G. Boehmer of University College London U.K., who has 52 papers >> in arXiv, including papers on the Einstein-Elko Dark Matter system and >> Dark Matter as a Bose-Einstein condensate. >> >> 3) Michael A. Ivanov of Belarus State U. of Information and >> Radioelectronics Minsk Belarus, who specializes on Non-Geometric >> approaches to Quantum Gravity and has quite a few papers in arXiv. >> >> Another way to find papers on Non-Geometric theories of Quantum >> Gravity is to look up the keywords "Non-Geometric" in arXiv, bringing >> up 24 papers including by Ahluwalia and Ivanov . >> >> Osher Doctorow > > ----------------- > and you can add on it > (and probably above it .....) > the 'Circlon' idea: > a basic particle that moves naturally > in curved paths Hmm.. http://www.circulon.com Doesn't seem to be relevant. Did you mean http://circlon-theory.com/ http://circlon-theory.com/HTML/about.html A crackpot site by James Carter, who came up with the notion of a circlon particle as a fundamental building block of the universe.
From: Y.Porat on 21 Oct 2009 06:19 On Oct 20, 1:56 pm, "Inertial" <relativ...(a)rest.com> wrote: > "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:90b04750-3fd7-488d-9e1e-282f577ededf(a)p23g2000vbl.googlegroups.com... > > > > > On Oct 20, 7:58 am, OsherD <mdocto...(a)ca.rr.com> wrote: > >> From Osher Doctorow > > >> While geometry and topology seem to be nicely related to Probable > >> Causation/Influence (PI) from the last few posts, a good argument > >> seems plausible that PI rather than geometry and topology is "deeper". > > >> Is there any indication that LQG (Loop Quantum Gravity) and > >> Superstring/M-Theory are too restrictive? Yes, and it comes from > >> somewhat surprising sources. > > >> 1) D. V. Ahluwalia of Los Alamos National Laboratory, USA, who has 53 > >> papers in arXiv, largely on Quantum Gravity and (Elko) Dark Matter. > > >> 2) C. G. Boehmer of University College London U.K., who has 52 papers > >> in arXiv, including papers on the Einstein-Elko Dark Matter system and > >> Dark Matter as a Bose-Einstein condensate. > > >> 3) Michael A. Ivanov of Belarus State U. of Information and > >> Radioelectronics Minsk Belarus, who specializes on Non-Geometric > >> approaches to Quantum Gravity and has quite a few papers in arXiv. > > >> Another way to find papers on Non-Geometric theories of Quantum > >> Gravity is to look up the keywords "Non-Geometric" in arXiv, bringing > >> up 24 papers including by Ahluwalia and Ivanov . > > >> Osher Doctorow > > > ----------------- > > and you can add on it > > (and probably above it .....) > > the 'Circlon' idea: > > a basic particle that moves naturally > > in curved paths > > Hmm.. > > http://www.circulon.com > > Doesn't seem to be relevant. > > Did you mean > > http://circlon-theory.com/http://circlon-theory.com/HTML/about.html > > A crackpot site by James Carter, who came up with the notion of a circlon > particle as a fundamental building block of the universe. -------------- thank you Inertial for your information anyway i dont see any resemblance to my circlon idea about a bsic particle that 8moves naturally in a circle (if not disturbed) no resemblance to my very detailed atomic and nuclear model in short nothing alike except the word Circlon btw in my orriginal book i called it Basion to indicate some very basic particle later i thought it might be more picturesque to call it Circlon to insinuate about its circle movement in your quote i does not mention even once the concelt of morving in a circualar path it is takling vaguely about 4D motion? that mans no much specific 2 it does not explain how it is building a particle it does not talk about how it is making the attraction force etc etc in short nothing alike!! may be it hurths you but i have a strong feeling you will never find anything alike unless ***you ******* or somebody elese will steal some of it ...... or steal and give it to someone else to present it as his ....(:-) Thanks again for the information Y.Porat ------------------------
From: Inertial on 21 Oct 2009 07:32
"Y.Porat" <y.y.porat(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:822b4371-84ad-48b8-b589-a911022b866e(a)l31g2000vbp.googlegroups.com... > On Oct 20, 1:56 pm, "Inertial" <relativ...(a)rest.com> wrote: >> "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >> >> news:90b04750-3fd7-488d-9e1e-282f577ededf(a)p23g2000vbl.googlegroups.com... >> >> >> >> > On Oct 20, 7:58 am, OsherD <mdocto...(a)ca.rr.com> wrote: >> >> From Osher Doctorow >> >> >> While geometry and topology seem to be nicely related to Probable >> >> Causation/Influence (PI) from the last few posts, a good argument >> >> seems plausible that PI rather than geometry and topology is "deeper". >> >> >> Is there any indication that LQG (Loop Quantum Gravity) and >> >> Superstring/M-Theory are too restrictive? Yes, and it comes from >> >> somewhat surprising sources. >> >> >> 1) D. V. Ahluwalia of Los Alamos National Laboratory, USA, who has 53 >> >> papers in arXiv, largely on Quantum Gravity and (Elko) Dark Matter. >> >> >> 2) C. G. Boehmer of University College London U.K., who has 52 papers >> >> in arXiv, including papers on the Einstein-Elko Dark Matter system and >> >> Dark Matter as a Bose-Einstein condensate. >> >> >> 3) Michael A. Ivanov of Belarus State U. of Information and >> >> Radioelectronics Minsk Belarus, who specializes on Non-Geometric >> >> approaches to Quantum Gravity and has quite a few papers in arXiv. >> >> >> Another way to find papers on Non-Geometric theories of Quantum >> >> Gravity is to look up the keywords "Non-Geometric" in arXiv, bringing >> >> up 24 papers including by Ahluwalia and Ivanov . >> >> >> Osher Doctorow >> >> > ----------------- >> > and you can add on it >> > (and probably above it .....) >> > the 'Circlon' idea: >> > a basic particle that moves naturally >> > in curved paths >> >> Hmm.. >> >> http://www.circulon.com >> >> Doesn't seem to be relevant. >> >> Did you mean >> >> http://circlon-theory.com/http://circlon-theory.com/HTML/about.html >> >> A crackpot site by James Carter, who came up with the notion of a circlon >> particle as a fundamental building block of the universe. > > -------------- > thank you Inertial for your information > anyway i dont see any resemblance > to my circlon idea > about a bsic particle that > 8moves naturally in a circle (if not disturbed) > no resemblance to my very detailed > atomic and nuclear model > in short > nothing alike > except the word Circlon > btw > in my orriginal book i called it > Basion > to indicate some very basic particle > later i thought it might be more picturesque > to call it Circlon > to insinuate about its circle movement > in your quote > i does not mention even once the > concelt of morving in a circualar path > it is takling vaguely about 4D motion? > that mans no much specific > 2 > it does not explain how it is building a particle > it does not talk about how it is making the > attraction force etc etc > in short > nothing alike!! > may be it hurths you but i have a strong feeling > you will never find anything alike > unless ***you ******* or somebody elese will steal > some of it ...... > or steal and give it to someone else to present it as his ....(:-) > Thanks again for the information > Y.Porat > ------------------------ Doesn't hurt me in the least ..though I do feel sorry for your wasted efforts in trying to do something meaningful and coming up with nonsense. |