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From: Skybuck Flying on 19 May 2010 09:33
Hello,

The question is: "Do human beings have a unique energy signature ?"

Suppose the phaser is invented which would allow people to "zap" each other.
Like a television... if you don't like what you see, you just zap it ! ;) :)

Not long after the invention of the phaser I would expect the invention of
the shield to protect against the phaser.

Now assume for a moment that somebody does not have a shield and gets
"zapped".

The matter of the person is transformed into energy...

The question is "Is the energy back-traceable to a human being".

In another words: "Does every human being have a unique energy signature ?".

Other questions: "How long will the energy remain presents ?"

In other words...: Once a human being has been zapped... is it possible to
determine this ? Is it possible to detect it ? Is it possible to trace it
back to a certain human being ?

Otherwise it would be hard to know what or who was zapped away without other
evidence...

Maybe the Large Hydrogen Collider can unravel further mysteries/details
about energy... maybe it can discover that a certain ammount of protons lead
to a certain ammount of recidue... or maybe the protons themselfes are
already enough to identify people ? Or maybe carbon's or whatever those tiny
things are called ? ;) :)

So question is:

Once a human being is "zapped" and energy remains... how could it be
identified as:

1. Being a human being ?

2. Who's energy signature was it ? ;)

Bye,
Skybuck.


From: dlzc on 19 May 2010 10:08
Dear Skybuck Flying:

On May 19, 6:33 am, "Skybuck Flying" <IntoTheFut...(a)hotmail.com>
wrote:
....
> The question is: "Do human beings have a unique
> energy signature ?"

As you are about to use the term, maybe.

> Suppose the phaser is invented which would allow
> people to "zap" each other. Like a television... if
> you don't like what you see, you just zap it ! ;) :)

.... Politicians, gone ....

> Not long after the invention of the phaser I would
> expect the invention of the shield to protect
> against the phaser.

We can't do shields in this Universe.

> Now assume for a moment that somebody does
> not have a shield and gets "zapped".
>
> The matter of the person is transformed into energy...

.... and the planet around them gets turned to a vapor cloud that
drifts around its Sun until someday maybe it recoalesces.

> The question is "Is the energy back-traceable to a
> human being".

No.

> In another words: "Does every human being have
> a unique energy signature ?".

Yes.

> Other questions: "How long will the energy remain
> presents ?"

Departs at c.

> In other words...: Once a human being has been
> zapped... is it possible to determine this ? Is it
> possible to detect it ? Is it possible to trace it
> back to a certain human being ?

No.

> Otherwise it would be hard to know what or who
> was zapped away without other evidence...

With the entire planet a glowing plasma, due to the release of said
energy, not sure that forensics makes much sense.

> Maybe the Large Hydrogen Collider can unravel
> further mysteries/details about energy... maybe it
> can discover that a certain ammount of protons
> lead to a certain ammount of recidue... or maybe
> the protons themselfes are already enough to
> identify people ?

No. Everybody's protons are exactly the same.

> Or maybe carbon's or whatever those tiny
> things are called ? ;) :)
>
> So question is:
>
> Once a human being is "zapped" and energy
> remains... how could it be identified as:
>
> 1. Being a human being ?
>
> 2. Who's energy signature was it ? ;)

It couldn't be. Star Trek was just a vehicle for some mild fiction,
and the marvels they "invented" were necessary to a 30 minute plot.

David A. Smith
From: hamilton on 19 May 2010 10:15
On 5/19/2010 8:08 AM, dlzc wrote:
> Dear Skybuck Flying:

David,

Please do not feed the trolls.

thank you

hamilton
From: Skybuck Flying on 19 May 2010 10:37
Well it seems there are already attempts to predict what would happen:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antimatter_weapon

Mostly heating, explosions, plasma that kind of stuff...

This leaves the question open (?):

"Is there a weapon conceivable which could be used to eradicate a human
being without leaving a trace? ;) :)

Bye,
Skybuck.


From: Martin Brown on 19 May 2010 11:02
On 19/05/2010 15:08, dlzc wrote:

>> Otherwise it would be hard to know what or who
>> was zapped away without other evidence...
>
> With the entire planet a glowing plasma, due to the release of said
> energy, not sure that forensics makes much sense.

It wouldn't do quite that much damage if you converted one human to pure
energy. E=mc^2 gives about 21kT TNT per gram of matter annihilated or
21MT per kg. So a 95kg human would be in the ball park of 2GT TNT

Biggest ever Russian H-bomb design was 100MT (50MT as detonated).
Krakatoa 1884 is estimated at 200MT (an order of magnitude less)
Tambora in 1815 (year without summer 1816) was ~1GT

You really would not want to be stood at ground zero. Crater size would
be roughly 6-8km scaling as M^0.3 or so for a ground burst. see:
http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=AD601139&Location=U2&doc=GetTRDoc.pdf
(amazingly the graph in fig 12 goes all the way up to 1000MT!)

Vulcanism would almost certainly add to your woes.

Regards,
Martin Brown
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