Quine's Web of Beliefs
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From: bigfletch8 on 29 Jun 2010 12:36 On Jun 29, 11:50 am, huge <h...(a)operamail.com> wrote: > On 06/28/2010 10:01 PM, bigflet...(a)gmail.com wrote:> On Jun 29, 10:57 am, "bigflet...(a)gmail.com"<bigflet...(a)gmail.com> > > wrote: > >> On Jun 29, 7:49 am, Immortalist<reanimater_2...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > <snippé> (French snip) ® > > Crank fight! Crank fight! > Who has popcorn? > > -- I didnt realize the headmaster allowed lap tops in the school yard. Having different views is a sign of maturity. You may find out if you dont choke on your popcorn. BOfL
From: huge on 29 Jun 2010 13:00 On 06/29/2010 11:36 AM, bigfletch8(a)gmail.com wrote: > On Jun 29, 11:50 am, huge<h...(a)operamail.com> wrote: >> On 06/28/2010 10:01 PM, bigflet...(a)gmail.com wrote:> On Jun 29, 10:57 am, "bigflet...(a)gmail.com"<bigflet...(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> On Jun 29, 7:49 am, Immortalist<reanimater_2...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> <snipp�> (French snip) � >> >> Crank fight! Crank fight! >> Who has popcorn? >> >> -- > I didnt realize the headmaster allowed lap tops in the school yard. > > Having different views is a sign of maturity. You may find out if you > dont choke on your popcorn. > Having views that reflect the actual state of the world is a sign of intellectual maturity. Just being different for difference's sake is a sign of a Kook. -- Not on my time you don't.
From: John M on 29 Jun 2010 21:18 "Immortalist" <reanimater_2000(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:8c57e788-76b2-4422-9451-acf35dc73c37(a)d37g2000yqm.googlegroups.com... > According to Quine's metaphor of the web, all of our beliefs justify > and are justified by all of our other beliefs. They are all connected > by an explanatory network, and changes in one place can require > changes elsewhere. Thus, all of our beliefs are connected to our > observations of the world. What we observe can lead us to change any > of our beliefs, no matter how certain we may have been that they were > true. ...we try to change as few beliefs as possible, but we cannot > rule out the possibility that some observations will require sweeping > changes in the web. > > Such sweeping changes do not occur often. When they do occur, they are > usually heralded as scientific revolutions, Naturally evolving systems follow a power law distribution of events. Which is much like an earthquake, where countless minor events are combined with the rare 'Big One'. This is true for physical and living systems alike. Earthquakes and ideas alike. Power Law "Power-law relations characterize a staggering number of naturally occurring phenomena, and this is one of the principal reasons why they have attracted such wide interest. For instance, inverse-square laws, such as gravitation and the Coulomb force, are power laws," http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_law Notice that the physical universe follows inverse square behavior on the input side, and the living universe follows inverse square law behavior on the output side. Hence, a gravity well appears much like a fitness peak, and for good reason. Gravity and Evolution are equally relentless, and equally mysterious, forces for steadily increasing order over time. >As we get closer and closer to > the center, our beliefs seem to be totally protected from unexpected > observations, so protected that we cannot imagine changing them. The > belief that twice two is four, for example, seems entirely immune from > revision. Decreasing by a square of the distance. > > Although most of us put the same beliefs in the center, it is possible > to put anything there... In nature there are always two competing centers, or primary system driving forces. Creation and truth are found when the two opposing forces form an elegant tie with each other. Such as when neither condensation or evaporation wins, a cloud emerges. Or when neither genetics or mutation wins, natural selection emerges. Or when neither gravity or cosmic expansion wins, space time emerges. Or when neither the rule of law or anarchy wins democracy forms. Or when neither matter or energy wins, light forms. And so on. John s > > Persons And Their World: An Introduction to Philosophy - Jeffrey Olen > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0075543117/
From: huge on 30 Jun 2010 12:43 On 06/29/2010 08:18 PM, John M wrote: <snipp�> (French snip) � > In nature there are always two competing centers, or primary system > driving forces. <snipp�> (French snip) � Do you really believe that "always"??? Listen, cat, I got a little bridge property in Brooklyn you might be interested in. -- Not on my time you don't.
From: John M on 30 Jun 2010 19:36
"huge" <huge(a)operamail.com> wrote in message news:uY6dnZaTTfmG6bbRnZ2dnUVZ_tSdnZ2d(a)earthlink.com... > On 06/29/2010 08:18 PM, John M wrote: > > <snipp�> (French snip) � >> In nature there are always two competing centers, or primary system >> driving forces. > <snipp�> (French snip) � > > Do you really believe that "always"??? The idea holds to all real world complex adaptive systems. I was talking about attractor theory which is well established mathematics. My hobby is the fairly new Chaos and Complexity Sciences. And the non-linear frame of reference used is based on the output of the system, leaving the part details irrelevant, which allows universal application. One scientific language for pretty much all the disciplines is possible. This approach means only what is common to all systems is being seen and studied. And once that commonality is understood, things finally begin to make sense. You see, the physical and living realms follow a common process of evolution. Only at different levels of complexity. The highest levels of order, like a larger statistical sample, better shows the underlying patterns of behavior. So life, the more complex, better displays the subtleties of evolution than far simpler physical systems. Don't you see what this means??? The fundamental laws of the universe are best derived from the most complex the universe has to offer, which is of course life and intelligence. Not from the simplest particles or forces as has been always assumed. DARWIN....provides the basis for the fundamental laws of the physical universe...NOT..the other way around as has been assumed forever. Pretty much the Darwinian evolution we all know and love placed in entirely...abstract...form, provides a universal template for the idealized evolutionary system. A complex adaptive system! Complexity science studies the idealized evolutionary system...the possible, which is another word for the future. Objective methods are very good at the actual, and combined with the possible future, we can have a clear path /between them/ to follow. Between now and the ideal future. Read for yourself. Self Organizing Faq http://www.calresco.org/sos/sosfaq.htm Calresco.org http://www.calresco.org/themes.htm Dynamics of Complex Systems http://necsi.org/publications/dcs/ > Listen, cat, I got a little bridge property in Brooklyn you might be > interested in. > > -- > Not on my time you don't. |