From: Aatu Koskensilta on
apoorv <sudhir_sh(a)hotmail.com> writes:

> Similarly, given a number n, we can have a proof that it is not the
> godel number (for PA) but we can never have a proof that it is the
> godel number (for PA).

What does "the godel number for PA" mean here?

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From: apoorv on
On Jul 9, 2:08 pm, Aatu Koskensilta <aatu.koskensi...(a)uta.fi> wrote:
> apoorv <sudhir...(a)hotmail.com> writes:
> > Similarly, given a number n, we can have a proof that it is not the
> > godel number (for PA) but we can never have a proof that it is the
> > godel number (for PA).
>
> What does "the godel number for PA" mean here?
>
Let phi(a) (where a is some constant)be a self referential
sentence.such that
phi(a) <->there is no PA proof of phi(a).
By soundness, we have 'phi(a) and there is no PA proof of phi(a)'
We want to test whether a given number, say 100 =a .So we have to
prove that
phi(100) holds, but if we have 100=a, then we also have that 'there is
no proof of phi(100)'.
In other words, if 100 is indeed the distinguished number we seek,
then 'we have no proof that it is
indeed the number that we seek' That number will forever elude us.
-apoorv