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From: Jim Thompson on 29 Dec 2009 18:43 On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 17:40:03 -0600, krw <krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: >On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 05:23:02 -0600, "Tim Williams" ><tmoranwms(a)charter.net> wrote: > >>"Phil Hobbs" <pcdhSpamMeSenseless(a)electrooptical.net> wrote in message >>news:4B39B6F7.1050504(a)electrooptical.net... >>> Nope, we reduce waste by keeping the house about 59 F in the winter (55 at >>> night). So since it's 3 AM here, I'll see your 293 and raise you -8 >>> kelvins. ;) >> >>Geesh! I try falling asleep at home without a space heater and wake up all >>sore, apparently from shivering all night. Has to be at least 68F in here >>to be comfortble, I'd guess. > >Wow! When we lived in VT we had the set-back thermostat set to 59F at >night and 64F during the day, with a spike to 68F early morning (with >weekends having a different definition of "early"). At night we'd >boost it up when we got too cold. Now we keep it at a pretty constant >67F. The heat pump doesn't like being set back. The recovery time >sucks. > >>'Course, at school I'm spoiled, because the hot water radiators are always >>cooking at a toasty 72 or so. > >That's too warm for the winter. We're set at 68�F ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | Help save the environment! Please dispose of socialism responsibly!
From: krw on 29 Dec 2009 18:46 On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 15:12:25 -0700, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)My-Web-Site.com/Snicker> wrote: >On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:57:23 -0500, Phil Hobbs ><pcdhSpamMeSenseless(a)electrooptical.net> wrote: >[snip] >> >>.... My son Simon is going to make some dough by insulating the >>attic. I wanted to use vermiculite but you basically can't get it any >>more--which is a pity. They make loose cellulose insulation. My (new) house has it, bit it's a PITA, IMO. It doesn't itch (been working in it this week), but *does* compress. >That IS a shame. Best insulated house I ever owned had vermiculite >filled walls. > >Only problem was if I cut a hole to add, for instance, another >electrical outlet... it poured out on the floor. That too. I still haven't replaced it in the wall above the sub-panel I put in. I'm finishing that room so the insulation won't be needed. >So I'd catch it in a bucket, do my wire pulling, put the box in place, >and seal it. Then go up in the attic and re-pour the vermiculite ;-) Umm, walls aren't supposed to be open at the top, for *many* reasons.
From: Jim Thompson on 29 Dec 2009 19:51 On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 17:46:24 -0600, krw <krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: >On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 15:12:25 -0700, Jim Thompson ><To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)My-Web-Site.com/Snicker> wrote: > >>On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:57:23 -0500, Phil Hobbs >><pcdhSpamMeSenseless(a)electrooptical.net> wrote: >>[snip] >>> >>>.... My son Simon is going to make some dough by insulating the >>>attic. I wanted to use vermiculite but you basically can't get it any >>>more--which is a pity. > >They make loose cellulose insulation. My (new) house has it, bit it's >a PITA, IMO. It doesn't itch (been working in it this week), but >*does* compress. > >>That IS a shame. Best insulated house I ever owned had vermiculite >>filled walls. >> >>Only problem was if I cut a hole to add, for instance, another >>electrical outlet... it poured out on the floor. > >That too. I still haven't replaced it in the wall above the sub-panel >I put in. I'm finishing that room so the insulation won't be needed. > >>So I'd catch it in a bucket, do my wire pulling, put the box in place, >>and seal it. Then go up in the attic and re-pour the vermiculite ;-) > >Umm, walls aren't supposed to be open at the top, for *many* reasons. Some of us are clever enough to pour it thru the wire hole ;-) (Vermiculite is about the size of rice.) ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | Help save the environment! Please dispose of socialism responsibly!
From: Phil Hobbs on 29 Dec 2009 19:53 On 12/29/2009 7:51 PM, Jim Thompson wrote: > On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 17:46:24 -0600, krw<krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: > he attic and re-pour the vermiculite ;-) >> >> Umm, walls aren't supposed to be open at the top, for *many* reasons. > > Some of us are clever enough to pour it thru the wire hole ;-) > > (Vermiculite is about the size of rice.) > > ...Jim Thompson This stuff is more like small croutons. The really little stuff is mostly used in potting soil. Cheers Phil Hobbs -- Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal ElectroOptical Innovations 55 Orchard Rd Briarcliff Manor NY 10510 845-480-2058 hobbs at electrooptical dot net http://electrooptical.net
From: RST Engineering on 29 Dec 2009 20:32
On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:57:23 -0500, Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless(a)electrooptical.net> wrote: >> > >Gotcha. My son Simon is going to make some dough by insulating the >attic. I wanted to use vermiculite but you basically can't get it any >more--which is a pity. You have to use a bit more, but you don't wind >up with red eyes and itchy skin the way you do with rock wool or fibreglass. >Phil Hobbs > >"There is no bad weather, there are only wrong clothes." I thought kitty litter was almost pure vermiculite. Jim |