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From: spudnik on 21 Jul 2010 14:34
the real problem with dubyas, "global" dubyas, and
anthropomorphic "global" dubyas is that they have never bothered,
since Ahrrenius coined the term (and didn't win the first Nobel
in chemistry for that), ro actually locate a model glasshouse
at some lattitude on Earth (most GCMers, and earth scientists
in general, do not "get" spherical geometry & trig,, even though
insolation is just a simple sine of the angle horizon to Sun,
that any navigator could surmize), end rant.

Zeroth law, kind of cute, and I wish thte 9-elevenTruth folks
would look at that, in relation to the "fireball, dyssipating;"
are there not two main factors, specific heats and
specific densities?

Kirchoff''s law, in electronics?... again, I find the "grey body"
term;
what ist?... another factor is "transportative," as when water or
rain flows over.

I really dyslike the use of "photons," because
Young completely destroyed Newton's "theory" of corpuscles,
only a hundred years after "geometrical optics" --
which is just fine, for determining the path of a rock o'light
from Edison's bulb to retina's cone (an antenna .-)

> Only Morgan could give us such a masterful, erudite demonstration of his
> ignorance of the difference between thermal and coherent radiation.

--RIP, Steve Shneider, plasma physicist & mechanical engineer,
got bogged-down in statistical analysis, is all.
http://wlym.com
From: JohnM on 21 Jul 2010 15:06
On Jul 21, 8:34 pm, spudnik <Space...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> the real problem with dubyas, "global" dubyas, and
> anthropomorphic "global" dubyas is that they have never bothered,
> since Ahrrenius coined the term (and didn't win the first Nobel
> in chemistry for that), ro actually locate a model glasshouse
> at some lattitude on Earth (most GCMers, and earth scientists
> in general, do not "get" spherical geometry & trig,, even though
> insolation is just a simple sine of the angle horizon to Sun,
> that any navigator could surmize), end rant.

If you mean contrive and construct an empirical experimental set-up,
one that somehow indubitably/irrefutably models planetary atmospheres,
I agree with you.

> Zeroth law, kind of cute, and I wish thte 9-elevenTruth folks
> would look at that, in relation to the "fireball, dyssipating;"
> are there not two main factors, specific heats and
> specific densities?

The Z.L. only deals with defining temperature as a thermodynamic
quantity. You need to visit the Oracle in Delphi to get to where you
wish to go above.

> Kirchoff''s law, in electronics?...  again, I find the "grey body"
> term;
> what ist?

I explained it to you in another thread. Do you ever read replies to
your posts?

>  another factor is "transportative," as when water or
> rain flows over.
>
> I really dyslike the use of "photons," because
> Young completely destroyed Newton's "theory" of corpuscles,
> only a hundred years after "geometrical optics" --
> which is just fine, for determining the path of a rock o'light
> from Edison's bulb to retina's cone (an antenna .-)
>
> > Only Morgan could give us such a masterful, erudite demonstration of his
> > ignorance of the difference between thermal and coherent radiation.
>
> --RIP, Steve Shneider, plasma physicist & mechanical engineer,
> got bogged-down in statistical analysis, is all.http://wlym.com

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