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From: Mike Scott on 4 May 2010 02:52 Tony Pursell wrote: ..... > By the way, someone mentioned Pegasus mail. This is a free > Windows mailer (which I happen to use). The OOo Send > Me! Good mailer too, better IMO than TB, but they simply will not port to linux etc. I'd forgotten about the extras to help it work, sorry. BTW, I cc'd the OP on my 2 replies. For my pains, I find I'm expected to jump through hoops set up by something called spamarrest - some sort of challenge-response clutter. Which I won't do, and which in fact I treat as spam. Seems kind of counter-productive - ask for help, then put obstacles in the way; oh well! But it set me wondering - if he did try to subscribe, would the list software cope with challenge-response? -- Mike --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscribe(a)openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-help(a)openoffice.org
From: Barbara Duprey on 4 May 2010 11:15 Mike Scott wrote: > Tony Pursell wrote: > .... >> By the way, someone mentioned Pegasus mail. This is a free Windows >> mailer (which I happen to use). The OOo Send > > > Me! Good mailer too, better IMO than TB, but they simply will not port > to linux etc. I'd forgotten about the extras to help it work, sorry. > > BTW, I cc'd the OP on my 2 replies. For my pains, I find I'm expected > to jump through hoops set up by something called spamarrest - some > sort of challenge-response clutter. Which I won't do, and which in > fact I treat as spam. Seems kind of counter-productive - ask for > help, then put obstacles in the way; oh well! > > But it set me wondering - if he did try to subscribe, would the list > software cope with challenge-response? Good question! It depends on whether ezmlm considers its confirmation message to have been delivered, or to have bounced, or to be a special case which is really neither. If it thinks it was delivered, initially, the confirmation message would have been sent by the list's help account (e.g., users-help(a)openoffice.org) and would get the whitelist rejection as the response. But this would go to the correct address for subscription (with the embedded indirect form of the user's e-mail), and if it is processed normally the subscription would work, and the Welcome message would be sent (and rejected) -- and the user would never see either of these messages. But unless the user had whitelisted the list (e.g., users(a)openoffice.org), each of the list messages would result in a "response" to the list (which would also be sent to the user, and get rejected, etc.), and we're not seeing those. Here's a quote from www.openoffice.org/ml_guidelines.html: *"Whitelisting* For people who are using "you cannot send me mail unless you are whitelisted" spam filters: if you subscribe to the OpenOffice.org lists, you must whitelist the lists yourself. We will not reply to any "please jump through these hoops to be whitelisted" mails. Such messages will be treated as bounces, and you may be unsubscribed or ignored. (Taken & modified shamelessly from LinuxChix.org. <http://www.linuxchix.org/>)" I very much doubt that these users, in general, are savvy enough to do this, and that means that the "delivered" path is unlikely -- we'd be seeing those whitelist demands as list messages, at least sometimes, unless ezmlm is seeing *these* as bounces or special cases and not posting them. But they come from a subscribed user.... If they are treated as bounces, by the way, there would be an automatic unsubscribe after a certain number of them. So apparently either the confirmation message is seen as having bounced, or it is being recognized as a special case. If it looks bounced, the subscription would fail. That leaves the special case possibility. Now, since the whole point of these whiltelisting schemes is to keep automated mailers from working, it seems the only way this could work would be for ezmlm to get a human into the loop to follow the whitelisting instructions. That seems very unlikely to me; as above, this is an unacceptable practice. Bottom line: the subscription would probably fail, and the user either would never know why, or would have to deduce the problem, or investigate and find the above quote -- and determine the correct address to whitelist. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscribe(a)openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-help(a)openoffice.org
From: "Clarke Rice" on 4 May 2010 13:17 On 4 May 2010 at 10:15, Barbara Duprey wrote: > Mike Scott wrote: > > Tony Pursell wrote: > > .... > >> By the way, someone mentioned Pegasus mail. This is a free Windows > >> mailer (which I happen to use). The OOo Send > > > > > Me! Good mailer too, better IMO than TB, but they simply will not port > > to linux etc. I'd forgotten about the extras to help it work, sorry. Pegasus will run on Linux via Wine. There have been a few threads about it over the years on the Pmail list (subscribe via PMAIL(a)bama.ua.edu) or see the web-forums - community.pmail.com Or, just go to: http://wiki.pmail.com/index.php?title=KB:Pegasus_Mail/Using_Pegasus_Mail_under_Linux Clarke --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscribe(a)openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-help(a)openoffice.org
From: Mike Scott on 5 May 2010 04:24
Clarke Rice wrote: > On 4 May 2010 at 10:15, Barbara Duprey wrote: > >> Mike Scott wrote: >>> Tony Pursell wrote: >>> .... >>>> By the way, someone mentioned Pegasus mail. This is a free Windows >>>> mailer (which I happen to use). The OOo Send > >>> Me! Good mailer too, better IMO than TB, but they simply will not port >>> to linux etc. I'd forgotten about the extras to help it work, sorry. > > Pegasus will run on Linux via Wine. There have been a few threads about it over the years > on the Pmail list (subscribe via PMAIL(a)bama.ua.edu) or see the web-forums - > community.pmail.com I did try that a couple of years or so ago - it didn't work then, so maybe things have improved there. I'm getting fed up with TB and its quirks (I need something that runs on both) so may take another look, thanks. > > Or, just go to: > http://wiki.pmail.com/index.php?title=KB:Pegasus_Mail/Using_Pegasus_Mail_under_Linux .... -- Mike Scott mike <at> <removeme>.scottsonline.org.uk Harlow Essex England --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscribe(a)openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-help(a)openoffice.org |