Reaction-Action-Activities relationship?
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From: Kumar on 19 Mar 2010 00:35 On Mar 19, 1:05 am, jbriggs444 <jbriggs...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Mar 16, 7:35 am, Kumar <lordshiva5...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Hello, > > > Newton's third law is frequently stated > > > "Action and reaction are equal and opposite > > To every action there is an equal and opposite reaction" > > > Law is defined as; > > > The term law is often used to refer to universal principles that > > describe the fundamental nature of something, to universal properties > > and relationships between things, or to descriptions that purport to > > explain these principles and relationships.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_(principle) > > > I have some questions:- > > > 1. Is it also true that "to every reaction there is equal and opposite > > action"? > > In context, yes. Unfortunately, the terms "action" and "reaction" as > Newton used them have some rather specific meanings that are nothing > at all like someone might guess based on their common English > meanings. > > Newton was writing centuries ago > He was inventing new concepts and casting them in Latin. > We can forgive him if translations use words with meanings that are > not what you might expect. > > " > Lex III: Actioni contrariam semper et æqualem esse reactionem: sive > corporum duorum actiones in se mutuo semper esse æquales et in partes > contrarias dirigi. > " > > Translation: > > ''To every action there is always an equal and opposite reaction: or > the forces of two bodies on each other are always equal and are > directed in opposite directions''. > > The modern phraseology is best captured by this last bit: > > "The forces of two bodies on each other are always equal and are > directed in opposite directions". > > > 2. Can we consider action or reaction as activities or motions and as > > law hold universal application, whether above action reaction > > relationship will apply to all our activities? > > No. Don't be silly. You don't take a statement using words whose > meanings are already a bit "off", squeeze it into another context > entirely and make the excuse that the word "Law" gives you good reason > to expect that the result is both sensible and truthful. > > The third law is a reasonably universal law of physics. That does not > mean that it passes muster as a law of human psychology, biology, > English jurisprudence, chess or action movies. > > You can't learn physics by language lawyering the Principia badly.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Thanks. Repeating; Whether somewhat equal & opposite reaction (decreased by resistances or increased by any aid, in any) is not seen in many other activities?
From: Y.Porat on 19 Mar 2010 04:02 On Mar 16, 4:39 pm, dlzc <dl...(a)cox.net> wrote: > Dear Kumar: > > On Mar 16, 4:35 am, Kumar <lordshiva5...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Newton's third law is frequently stated > > > "Action and reaction are equal and opposite > > To every action there is an equal and opposite reaction" > > ... > > I have some questions:- > > > 1. Is it also true that "to every reaction there is equal > > and opposite action"? > > This is just causality and / or a decision of "which came first". The > third law is more a statement of conservation of momentum. -------------------------------- it seems that you dont know that all the 'statics science' on with all your buildings are based is based on that law!! in all those cases there is no the conventional momentum!! it is STATICS !!! and without that law a structural engineer cannot do a single step so thank you Old Isak Newton even just for that !!! you are right only in sense that i am sure it was not in your mind: ie even gravitation and counter forces of it are done BY NONSTOP MOVEMENT OF GRAVITONS back and forth !! and those are IMHO the movement of 'Circlons ' ATB Y.Porat ------------------- > > > 2. Can we consider action or reaction as activities > > or motions and as law hold universal application, > > whether above action reaction relationship will apply > > to all our activities? > > The neck you slit pushed back against your knife. Does that help you > in some way? > > Science in general serves to describe determinism, but Newton's third > is not what you are seeking. > > David A. Smith
From: Y.Porat on 19 Mar 2010 04:09 On Mar 18, 3:36 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Mar 18, 5:28 am, Kumar <lordshiva5...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Mar 18, 9:49 am, Saimhain Moose <samhainmo...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Mar 18, 12:21 am, Kumar <lordshiva5...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Are activities not dependant on applied forces? > > > > Exactly what do you mean by "activities"? > > > Something done as an action or a movement. > > They're not the same. A movement (specifically a change in movement) > is the *response* to a force. The force is the cause, the acceleration > is the effect. Motion is not a cause. ------------------ mass is motion- is a cause.-- while it collides with something momentum as well is mass in motion Y.P ---------------------
From: JT on 19 Mar 2010 04:21 On 19 mar, 09:02, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Mar 16, 4:39 pm, dlzc <dl...(a)cox.net> wrote: > > > > > Dear Kumar: > > > On Mar 16, 4:35 am, Kumar <lordshiva5...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Newton's third law is frequently stated > > > > "Action and reaction are equal and opposite > > > To every action there is an equal and opposite reaction" > > > ... > > > I have some questions:- > > > > 1. Is it also true that "to every reaction there is equal > > > and opposite action"? > > > This is just causality and / or a decision of "which came first". The > > third law is more a statement of conservation of momentum. > > -------------------------------- > it seems that you dont know that all the 'statics science' > on with all your buildings are based is > based on that law!! > in all those cases there is no the conventional momentum!! > it is STATICS !!! > > and without that law > a structural engineer cannot do a single step > so > thank you Old Isak Newton even just for that !!! > > you are right only in sense that i am sure it was not in your mind: > ie > even gravitation and counter forces of it > are done > BY NONSTOP MOVEMENT OF GRAVITONS > back and forth !! > and those are IMHO the movement of 'Circlons ' > > ATB > Y.Porat > ------------------- > > > > > > > > 2. Can we consider action or reaction as activities > > > or motions and as law hold universal application, > > > whether above action reaction relationship will apply > > > to all our activities? > > > The neck you slit pushed back against your knife. Does that help you > > in some way? > > > Science in general serves to describe determinism, but Newton's third > > is not what you are seeking. > > > David A. Smith- Dölj citerad text - > > - Visa citerad text -- Dölj citerad text - > > - Visa citerad text - But if the photons are circlons looking like slinkys with polarity, that do get stretched out travelling the electromagnetic medium of universe losing there bouncyness and gaining a strong polarity so that they no longer can prevent from clogin up together, and they can no longer escape bounce a surface when their wavelength and amplitude is zero. They are stretched out current thread bipoles looking that will clog with other stretched out bipoles so when it come in contact/collide with elementar matter that is built from those tiny bipolar strings they stuck as glue on their surface. And if there is no matter around when they stretch out gaining polarity they will smash into eachother making clogs of strings becoming elementar particles. Do we really need gravitons could not gravitation be an effect of strings with polarity clogging up together making current in the micro realm, creating elementar particles. And the attraction from gravitation be the tension of photons trying to break lose from matter? JT
From: JT on 19 Mar 2010 04:23
On 19 mar, 09:21, JT <jonas.thornv...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > On 19 mar, 09:02, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Mar 16, 4:39 pm, dlzc <dl...(a)cox.net> wrote: > > > > Dear Kumar: > > > > On Mar 16, 4:35 am, Kumar <lordshiva5...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Newton's third law is frequently stated > > > > > "Action and reaction are equal and opposite > > > > To every action there is an equal and opposite reaction" > > > > ... > > > > I have some questions:- > > > > > 1. Is it also true that "to every reaction there is equal > > > > and opposite action"? > > > > This is just causality and / or a decision of "which came first". The > > > third law is more a statement of conservation of momentum. > > > -------------------------------- > > it seems that you dont know that all the 'statics science' > > on with all your buildings are based is > > based on that law!! > > in all those cases there is no the conventional momentum!! > > it is STATICS !!! > > > and without that law > > a structural engineer cannot do a single step > > so > > thank you Old Isak Newton even just for that !!! > > > you are right only in sense that i am sure it was not in your mind: > > ie > > even gravitation and counter forces of it > > are done > > BY NONSTOP MOVEMENT OF GRAVITONS > > back and forth !! > > and those are IMHO the movement of 'Circlons ' > > > ATB > > Y.Porat > > ------------------- > > > > > 2. Can we consider action or reaction as activities > > > > or motions and as law hold universal application, > > > > whether above action reaction relationship will apply > > > > to all our activities? > > > > The neck you slit pushed back against your knife. Does that help you > > > in some way? > > > > Science in general serves to describe determinism, but Newton's third > > > is not what you are seeking. > > > > David A. Smith- Dölj citerad text - > > > - Visa citerad text -- Dölj citerad text - > > > - Visa citerad text - > > But if the photons are circlons looking like slinkys with polarity, > that do get stretched out travelling the electromagnetic medium of > universe losing there bouncyness and gaining a strong polarity so that > they no longer can prevent from clogin up together, and they can no > longer escape bounce a surface when their wavelength and amplitude is > zero. > > They are stretched out current thread bipoles looking that will clog > with other stretched out bipoles so when it come in contact/collide > with elementar matter that is built from those tiny bipolar strings > they stuck as glue on their surface. > > And if there is no matter around when they stretch out gaining > polarity they will smash into eachother making clogs of strings > becoming elementar particles. > > Do we really need gravitons could not gravitation be an effect of > strings with polarity clogging up together making current in the micro > realm, creating elementar particles. And the attraction from > gravitation be the tension of photons trying to break lose from > matter? > > JT- Dölj citerad text - > > - Visa citerad text - Gravitation is photons preparing for jump ;D |