From: Tom Stiller on
In article <dorayme-900681.08475701072010(a)news.albasani.net>,
dorayme <dorayme(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote:

> In article
> <tom_stiller-9428EC.07080030062010(a)news.individual.net>,
> Tom Stiller <tom_stiller(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > PNG is OK but why would one store X-ray images in a lossy image format
> > like JPG?
>
> Why not if nothing of interest is actually lost?

Well, if proper medical care depended on an accurate diagnosis, *I*
wouldn't want to start with incomplete information.

--
Tom Stiller

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From: dorayme on
In article
<tom_stiller-0DF69F.22443530062010(a)news.individual.net>,
Tom Stiller <tom_stiller(a)yahoo.com> wrote:

> In article <dorayme-900681.08475701072010(a)news.albasani.net>,
> dorayme <dorayme(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
> > In article
> > <tom_stiller-9428EC.07080030062010(a)news.individual.net>,
> > Tom Stiller <tom_stiller(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > PNG is OK but why would one store X-ray images in a lossy image format
> > > like JPG?
> >
> > Why not if nothing of interest is actually lost?
>
> Well, if proper medical care depended on an accurate diagnosis, *I*
> wouldn't want to start with incomplete [relevant]* information.

*inserted by dorayme.

Who would? I have yet to see a human spot any critical difference
between a tiff and a jpg that is not further compressed than max
that could possibly be of relevance to diagnosis. Most X-rays neg
sheets are a bit shithouse in the first place.

--
dorayme
From: isw on
In article <tom_stiller-1A5983.14520230062010(a)news.individual.net>,
Tom Stiller <tom_stiller(a)yahoo.com> wrote:

> In article <isw-3F6597.10150030062010@[216.168.3.50]>,
> isw <isw(a)witzend.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <tom_stiller-9428EC.07080030062010(a)news.individual.net>,
> > Tom Stiller <tom_stiller(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > In article <20100630001001441-jasonsavlov(a)mecom>,
> > > Jason S <jasonsavlov(a)me.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 2010-06-28 23:00:26 -0400, Mel Comisarow said:
> > > >
> > > > > I had a bunch of x-rays done for my cat and the veterinarian returned
> > > > > a
> > > > > cd containing a bunch of files with a .dll suffix and a file with an
> > > > > .exe suffix, which presumably is a Windows program. The Finder says
> > > > > each .dll file is a "Windows dynamic link library". How can I read
> > > > > these
> > > > > .dll files on my Mac? Thanks.
> > > >
> > > > Why does this sound way more complicated than it probably is? And why
> > > > on earth does your veterinarian put the images in a windows executable
> > > > file? Why not just put the images in folders as PNG or JPG or something
> > > > easily accessible?
> > > >
> > > PNG is OK but why would one store X-ray images in a lossy image format
> > > like JPG?
> >
> > Because if you do it right, you save considerable space, and it's not
> > lossy enough to matter?
> >
> I don't know, but I suspect the purpose for wanting the X-ray images was
> to show them to someone and I doubt that either of us knows enough to
> determine which details of the image matters and which details don't.

And I'd bet that the doctors don't know either, but are "playing it
safe" out of ignorance. If they cared (but why should they?), they could
run some tests to see precisely what degree of compression started to
cause problems.

Isaac
From: Tom Stiller on
In article <dorayme-28D3C6.17122001072010(a)news.albasani.net>,
dorayme <dorayme(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote:

> In article
> <tom_stiller-0DF69F.22443530062010(a)news.individual.net>,
> Tom Stiller <tom_stiller(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <dorayme-900681.08475701072010(a)news.albasani.net>,
> > dorayme <dorayme(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> >
> > > In article
> > > <tom_stiller-9428EC.07080030062010(a)news.individual.net>,
> > > Tom Stiller <tom_stiller(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > PNG is OK but why would one store X-ray images in a lossy image format
> > > > like JPG?
> > >
> > > Why not if nothing of interest is actually lost?
> >
> > Well, if proper medical care depended on an accurate diagnosis, *I*
> > wouldn't want to start with incomplete [relevant]* information.
>
> *inserted by dorayme.
>
> Who would? I have yet to see a human spot any critical difference
> between a tiff and a jpg that is not further compressed than max
> that could possibly be of relevance to diagnosis. Most X-rays neg
> sheets are a bit shithouse in the first place.

Bye.

--
Tom Stiller

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From: Wes Groleau on
On 07-01-2010 03:12, dorayme wrote:
> Who would? I have yet to see a human spot any critical difference
> between a tiff and a jpg that is not further compressed than max
> that could possibly be of relevance to diagnosis. Most X-rays neg

What is your criteria for determining whether something
“could possibly be of relevance to diagnosis”?

You probably are judging the image quality based on a lack of
understanding what you are looking at. As for compression,
I acknowledge that for most images I've looked at (not xrays),
I can lower the quality (as measured by GraphicConverter)
to 25% and often lower without being able to see a difference.
Some scans of old documents can be made less readable below
fifty percent.

What is the meaning of “further compressed than max”?
I'm not a jpeg expert, but GraphicConverter allows me
to set quality at zero percent. At 72 ppi (unacceptable
resolution for xrays), a zero, which GraphicConverter
allows, reduced a 1.4 MB 1930 census image to 161 KB.
Text was still decipherable, but not pretty.

I can reduce the size further by asking for a resolution
of five pixels per inch.

--
Wes Groleau

Expert, n.:
Someone who comes from out of town and shows slides.