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From: glird on 13 Jun 2010 12:55
On Jun 12, 3:32 pm, Evans Winner <tho...(a)unm.edu> wrote:
> ,------ glird wrote ------
> | Given that the material has no empty spaces in it, but a |
> | volume of it may have particles present, a "gram" or a   |
> | "pound" is the wrong unit of measure for density. Even   |
> | so, the quantity of COMPRESSIBLE matter in a given       |
> | volume is variable; so the density is too.
>
> I am not sure I understand what the operation of compression
> would actually mean in the case of the form of material you
> are suggesting.  If density means, as you put it, "quantity
> of matter per unit volume," and if matter is an
> undifferentiated solid in the sense that I think you mean,
> what does it mean to say that there can be more or less of
> it in a given volume?  It would seem that differences in
> density would not be possible.

From “The Universe
What It is Made of and How It Works”
by Gerald Lebau:
____________

INTRODUCTION

Twenty-seven centuries ago Thales set forth the thesis that a
material substance which he called the "ylem" fills every place in the
universe. Heraclitos then observed that material bodies undergo
various kinds of change. Parmenides then said that change cannot be
due to motion if there is nothing but one physical substance or many
microscopic particles; for motion requires that a thing moves from
where it is to where it is not. He said,
"If there is no 'where-it-is-not' then motion is impossible. The
motion of many particles involves a 'where-it-is-not' as much as the
motion of one. Moreover, there cannot be many particles if nothing but
the moving particles of matter exists. For many-ness requires
something to enable one to distinguish between one particle of matter
and another, and this is impossible if nothing but the stuff of the
atoms exists."
That entire argument is based on the unspoken premise that the ylem
is incompressible. That, in turn, led to the kinetic-atomic theory
that matter is made of ultimate particles separated by empty spaces;
which is the primary plank in the present scientific paradigm.
At the far end of every consequence based on that ancient premise
lies total mystery. As of now the mystery is blamed on the way God
made the world, rather than its real cause:
The ancient premise is false.

The constructions in this book are based on the alternative premise:

MATTER IS COMPRESSIBLE.

Rather than being made of point-sized particles, all material
bodies, including the smallest particles, extend for meaningful
distances in all directions. When a material body is compressed the
matter of which that body is made is condensed into a smaller volume,
rather than, as now believed, that its component particles move closer
to each other in an intervening empty space.
An easily movable bodily compressible material that fills all space
can and does easily move within, around, upon and through more of
itself by changing the volume that bits of displaced portions occupy
during those motions.
____________

glird
From: Sam Wormley on 13 Jun 2010 15:05
On 6/13/10 11:55 AM, glird wrote:
> The constructions in this book are based on the alternative premise:
>
> MATTER IS COMPRESSIBLE.
>

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hole
From: bert on 13 Jun 2010 18:19
On Jun 13, 3:05 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On 6/13/10 11:55 AM, glird wrote:
>
> > The constructions in this book are based on the alternative premise:
>
> > MATTER IS COMPRESSIBLE.
>
>    See:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hole

Sam Neutron stars have a gravity force that in reality proves this.
O ya TreBert
From: funkenstein on 13 Jun 2010 19:00
On Jun 11, 10:06 pm, glird <gl...(a)aol.com> wrote:
>   There is a space filling medium. It is capable of motion and
> resilience.
> It exerts an expansive pressure in all directions.


Perhaps you mean to say there is an electromagnetic field (tensor) and
gravitational field (tensor) which exist everywhere in space, which
have real physical properties.


> It is
> but a small step from there to the recognition that this very same
> material substance is what is formed into the atoms and molecules of
> gross matter. To take that step, however, a vast conceptual chasm has
> to be crossed.
>

Not really. Maxwell's equations + GR do the job, they specifically
define charge and mass in terms of the space-filling fields.


>   Look around you. Look at a glass, a metal one-piece wrench, or any
> other one-piece object. I am now going to ask you to do something that
> will do violence to every instinct of a trained scientist:-  Recognize
> that it is indeed one piece!
>   An object isn't a collection of separate particles moving randomly
> within a local space. It is one big particle with no empty places
> inside it.  Think of it as exactly what it looks like, all the way
> through. It is no different than it looks.
>   There are, of course, very fine grained density gradients all
> through the unit, and you can't see them overtly. But if you look
> closely enough, you can see them too (with a little help from some
> instruments.)
>

So, you just contradicted yourself in that paragraph?


> Note. Today's theorists would say that anyone who made this claim is
> either uneducated or insane. {In a lunatic asylum a sane man is
> abnormal!}  A later generation that understands the structure of the
> physical world will know that a material continuum fills space.


I disagree. Today's theorists -are- comfortable with using the tools
of fluid mechanics to model quantum systems, and -are- comfortable
defining fields that exist everywhere in space. It is only your
terminology that will be argued. Replace "material continuum" with
"quantum foam" or "grid" or "space-time manifold".. though of course
a later generation will use other language still.


> [snip] It will know that light and energy are
> functions of the structure of this substance.

We know that already.. see Maxwell's equations + GR which describe
those functions in detail.




From: glird on 15 Jun 2010 17:19
On Jun 13, 7:00 pm, funkenstein <luke.s...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 11, 10:06 pm, glird <gl...(a)aol.com> wrote:
>
> >   There is a space filling medium. It is capable of motion and
> > resilience. It exerts an expansive pressure in all directions.
>
> Perhaps you mean to say there is an electromagnetic field (tensor)
> and gravitational field (tensor) which exist everywhere in space,
> which have real physical properties.

A tensor is a mathematical device. Other than as that, it doesn't
physically exist. That which a tensor describes, though, does
physically exist. The question is: WHAT ARE those real things?

> >< It is but a small step from there to the recognition that this very same material substance is what is formed into the atoms and molecules of gross matter. To take that step, however, a vast conceptual chasm has to be crossed.>
>
> Not really.  Maxwell's equations + GR do the job, they specifically
> define charge and mass in terms of the space-filling fields.

What are those definitions? (That is asked seriously, not
disdainfully.)

> ><   Look around you. Look at a glass, a metal one-piece wrench, or any other one-piece object. I am now going to ask you to do something that will do violence to every instinct of a trained scientist:-  Recognize that it is indeed one piece!
An object isn't a collection of separate particles moving randomly
within a local space. It is one big particle with no empty places
inside it.  Think of it as exactly what it looks like, all the way
through. It is no different than it looks.
  There are, of course, very fine grained density gradients all
through the unit, and you can't see them overtly. But if you look
closely enough, you can see them too (with a little help from some
instruments.)>
> So, you just contradicted yourself in that paragraph?
>
> > Note. Today's theorists would say that anyone who made this claim is either uneducated or insane. {In a lunatic asylum a sane man is abnormal!}  A later generation that understands the structure of the physical world will know that a material continuum fills space.>
>
> I disagree.  Today's theorists -are- comfortable with using the tools
of fluid mechanics to model quantum systems, and -are- comfortable
defining fields that exist everywhere in space.  It is only your
terminology that will be argued.>

As written, "False or inadequate semantics destroyed theoretical
physics."

>  Replace "material continuum" with "quantum foam" or "grid" or "space-time manifold"..  though of course a later generation will use other language still.>

ANY generation that wants to understand the structure of reality
will know the meaning of "material continuum' (which means "a place
totally filled with matter"). What is a "quantum foam" and what is
"space-time", other than a mathematical abstraction invented by
Minkowski?
if you want to know WHY a moving object's path is curved by
minkowski's "curved 4d space-time manifold", (in which - since 1911 -
all four dimensions are considered equivalent, thus as spatial), don't
ask Professor Everitt - an excellent physicist.. ask a person who
knows that a void space has zero properties; thus cannot be "curved".
Members of "a later generation" will know that a void space cannot
conduct light or anything else; thus - since light goes everywhere in
the universe -- there is no such thing as a void space.

Either way, Luke, thank you for answering me.

Goodbye.
glird
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