From: TXZZ on
On Apr 30, 11:34 pm, Virgil <Vir...(a)home.esc> wrote:
> In article <hrg8uu$le...(a)speranza.aioe.org>,
>
>  "Hamie" <master_frog...(a)example.invalid> wrote:
>
> > "TXZZ" <poopdog...(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:7e5b1bb7-3b2a-433a-a937-99e41ff30374(a)k41g2000yqb.googlegroups.com....
> > >I have a problem understanding why red herring is a logical fallacy
>
> > > Basically, someone tries to change the subject with vaguely relevant
> > > data
>
> > > but vaguely relevant data is not a fallacy; nor is changing the subject
> > If something is a tautology, it doesn't mean it's not relevant.
>
> Doesn't mean it is, either.
>
> The truth of an alleged red herring is not the issue that determines
> whether it is a real red herring, it is its relevance that determines
> that.

Calling data, or even a different subject,

Utterly Irrelevant data? You would need an extreme example of red
herring for that. And hence the dillema; it's not really a fallacy
because most red herring arguments don't declare to be *nececssarily*
true. They just try to change the topic; which is irrational yet not
really a fallacy.